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  • #246638
    Vknid
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      Clearly something awful happened on that movie set. A person lost their life because someone, most likely the armorer, was negligent.

      If the negligent party was you or I we would already be in jail.

      But as I am sure many are aware our justice system is 2 tier. And Hollywood is essentially above the law.

      I suspect either there will be no charges but if there are no one will serve any time.

      Is we don’t have justice in this country, if we don’t have the rule of law we don’t have much.

      #246640

      Every time i read about this sad (tragedy) situation, I think that being an armorer is a job for men… just like the army are jobs for men. Sure, there are many women capable of doing it, but it’s better to leave it to men…

      Then there are the pictures of the girl in charge… ffs… who hired her? that movie studio is to blame for the death of an innocent brilliant woman. They hired an idiot and gave her the wrong job.

      This may sound misogynist af but fuk it.

      #246642
      Vknid
      Moderator

        @Hazu

        While men and women are equal, we are different. Men are better (in general) at some things and women at others. Without those wonderful differences none of us would be here. Those differences should be absolutely celebrated and not hidden or denied.

        With that said I am not sure the sex of the armorer is the issue here so much as nepotism. From what I understand, she is the daughter of a long time armorer. And to further the thought she should not have been doing this is there is an article out there where she was interviewed and she mentioned how she was not sure she was ready for the opportunity but then decided she was. So she sounds VERY green.

        Not one to judge a book by the cover, the pics and videos I have seen of her make her look like a total dingdong. That does not mean she is but it “seems” that way.

        But I think she will never see the inside of a jail cell protected by the elite.

        Whomever decided to hire her, while not legally tied to this, is morally just as guilty.

        Those comparing this to the Brandon Lee thing should know, that case was also due to a bad armorer but this is on a whole other level. If I recall correctly Brandon Lee was killed by a dummy round lodged in a weapon that was not cleaned or cleared properly. In the case at hand IT WAS AN ACTUAL LIVE ROUND!

        #246668

        I get a bit irked when articles keep referring to “misfires” . I’m sorry but a gun with live ammo, going off when the trigger is pulled, is not a misfire. The gun is in fact working properly.   If anything was misfiring, it’s the brains of these dolts that thought it would be a good idea to load live rounds into a gun that was being used as a film prop.

        #246671
        Mustangride1
        Moderator

          First charges need to be filed, they are at minimum, Negligent Homicide and or Manslaughter.

          The person that need to be charged are Baldwin with Manslaughter.

          Now that I got your attention, Baldwin is the Only One who should be charged criminally as he is the one though negligence of failing to verify the weapon was indeed unloaded or the rounds were indeed blanks is the one responsible for the Manslaughter of the Cinematographer as well as whatever charges for the wounding of the director.

          The Armour is civilly liable, but criminal charges with a good lawyer could be argued that even if he by accident or negligence he loaded a live round, it was Baldwin who was the final person to hold and fire the weapon, and he was, and he should have verified the weapons safety.

          I have carried a weapon for over 30 years, I have been shooting and hunting for 45 years. I have trained dogs and taught both firearms safety and hunters education, fired tens of thousands of rounds of both live and blanks. I have bought training rounds “aka blanks” and they do not come in a box with 1 live round in it.

          First rule of firearms safety: Treat all guns as if they are loaded.
          Second rule of firearms safety: Always check a weapon for safety when its handed to you.
          Third rule of firearms safety: NEVER point a weapon at something you do not plan to SHOOT.

          Baldwin has already stated he fired the round, so he is guilty of Manslaughter by his own admission.

          The question(s) I have are:

          How did a live round get on set? Excluding security and maybe body guards there is no reason for a live round to be on set.
          If the Armour did load it with blanks, then who reloaded live rounds?  For those unfamiliar with a Blank versus Live round, it is so simple to tell them apart.

          BlankBLANK

          LiveLIVE

          UNMISTAKABLE in appearance and weight.

          Now that I have said all that, I also need to say from the moment it has happened Hollywood and Their Media have been circling the wagons to muddy the water and protect themselves.  The fact is simple, Baldwin was handed a weapon and failed to verify its safety, and then shot and killed someone which under that sates law is Manslaughter.

          Irony, one of the biggest voices for so long about gun violence and gun control and regulation advocates, actually shoots and kills someone because he failed to take the most basic of personal responsibility and check the weapon for safety, while using that which he has spoke out against so much to make profit off of.

          #246888
          Vknid
          Moderator

            I watched a video on this topic.  It was Molyneaux I believe.  He went into depth on this.

            There was actually a small chain of people from the armorer to Alec Baldwin who were supposed to check that weapon before it’s use.  No one did.  So there were a number of safely failures for this terrible thing to happen.

            Plus all the other factors where weapons and ammo were not treated with respect and were essentially “played” with.  And it seems there were also some other accidental discharges on this set.

            So all in all this is not one failure.  To get to this point was a string of safety failures and blunders.  My point is I think that most of it was all due to an armorer who was not ready for the job and beyond that just did not give a sh!t.

            She should go down for manslaughter.  As for Baldwin, I think his biggest crime here was hiring this 23yr old person who was awful at her job.  I think he was probably cutting costs and was happy to check a box at the same time.

            #246917
            Mustangride1
            Moderator

              The Armorer is not guilty of  manslaughter. The definition of it under NM law is clear on that. Now that we have testimony that the guns were used earlier in target practice “and from some reports” the armorer was not told people took them and then replaced without the armorers knowledge, then she has an alibi.

              Let me say the “IF” and “Reports” are really sounding more and more like a Movie than truth.

              Age does not matter  when it comes to knowledge of weapons, I know many under 18 with more knowledge and proficiency with firearms than 65 year olds.  Lets assume for a minute however she did know the guns were used earlier (discounting the reports) and she did clean and prep them again. Somehow a live round got in the gun. Now further details say the weapon was a replica of a “Peacemaker” that means someone put a live round in, there will be prints on it (unless a glove was used) so whomever loaded the gun with a live round is the one guilty of Premeditated Homicide.

              But Baldwin is still guilty of Manslaughter as he was the last person in the chain that had the responsibility to check the gun for safety. A cylinder check would only take a minute to eject,inspect and replace each round. and if it was not a period specific then it would take less time for a cylinder dump and reload.

              #246931
              Vknid
              Moderator

                I don’t know. If anyone is charged at all (and I doubt it happens) it will be her.  Why?  Because the weapons were her responsibility.  Yes there are other links in the chain but they are just additional checks, she is the one who has the job description to take care of the weapons.  Also if Hollywood is going to protect anyone it will be Baldwin and they would without  hesitation feed her to the dogs to protect him.

                And the reason I mentioned age is not to question her weapons proficiency but to illustrate she has little job and life experience to be handling something so critical.

                Just my take on it man.  Not trying to argue.

                I think we will find out soon if anything happens.

                #247022
                Mustangride1
                Moderator

                  What I am talking about is the pure letter of the law…. Baldwin under it should be charged as the law is clear in negligence on his part not checking it… Several of the gun boards im on have posted past cases in NM were a person was charged for that reason and convicted.  Basically “the act of what any reasonable person would do”. A reasonable person would check the weapon to ensure it was safe.

                  The armorer has all kinds of reasonable doubt built in for a defense case so much so without very clear evidence she knew no smart DA would bring charges…. Heck just from what I have read from the reports out there, there is reasonable doubt to no convict. Her prints and hers alone would need to be on the round for it to not be.

                  Still taking exception with you on age even when you say  “she has little job and life experience to be handling something so critical.” there are millions of 18 to 23 year olds with all the experience needed to safely handle a weapon. Military, Law Enforcement and we can go even younger to Olympians, team shooting sports etc. Age has nothing to do with expertise with weapons.  look up “Alpha Addy & Trystan” on youtube or just “Youth 3 Gun” ….. Knowledge of the weapon(S) not age is whats needed at 23 I could strip most civilian and even many weapons down  and operate no issue including repairing them if needed.  Hell there is pictures of me at 4 years of age shooting already and by 7 I was shooting trap and skeet  and by 12 I running high teens to low 20’s per round in them and long range shooting 338.

                  I am keeping on this because people do not understand age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge of firearms. I will go this far even, you hand me any glock on the planet I can strip it down blindfolded. Hand me one of the new gun makers pistols I might not be able to as im not familiar with it. And I have been an a Firearms instructor and hunters ed instructor.  No arguing just discussing trying also to dispel the age myth I see a lot.  Especially when I have seen a 7 year old tear down her gun rebuild it and explain every part on it and how it works and what she has had done to it and why including the sights.

                   

                  #247044
                  Vknid
                  Moderator

                    I am not really disagreeing with you.  The age thing I am trying to explain has little to do with her weapons proficiency. I am speaking more to her life and job skills (non weapon stuff I mean).  At her age most folks are still pretty immature so I can see her not taking the whole thing seriously enough. That’s what I am talking about when I mention the age thing.

                    Again I agree with you on the age and weapons thing.  I grew up with guns myself and used and handled them from 12yrs old on.

                    #247072

                    Going to be as nice as I can in saying this. I mean no disrespect to anyone. But this is driving me up the wall.

                    Why the f**k is this news? It is EVERYWHERE, continually, and I am absolutely sick of hearing about this entire thing. All the Youtubers are making video’s about it. Ryan, both Jeremy’s, etc. For hell sake, it’s enough already. I just do NOT see why this entire fiasco is sooooooooooooooo important it needs to dominate all our media. I find it nauseating and an utterly stupid story to obsess over.

                    And please, stop with the Ruby Rose Batwoman nonsense too. I am so sick of these POINTLESS stories dominating the media.

                     

                    #247078
                    Vknid
                    Moderator

                      @DarthVengeant

                      You are really correct about this. It is very sad someone lost their life for the worst of reasons but this happens every day.  I think if you boil it down it’s because it’s Hollywood and this country has had a bad habit of worshipping those morons now for some time. Although the other current reality is “news” organizations use junk like this to generate rage clicks so there is that too.

                      #247087
                      Mustangride1
                      Moderator

                        @DarthVengeant

                        The more they talk about this the more they can detract from other things going on plus they are muddying the water for a jury pool “aka protecting their own” (hollywood that is and the mainstream media) as to the Youtubers and Social media, well, it is in the news and in this case one of the BIGGEST Mouths against firearms for years, Used a gun to make profit and ended up killing someone. The firearms community is pointing out to people that basic safety practices would have averted this 100%.

                        It is actually starting to set in now with some gun haters just how little these gun haters know or care about firearms, and how much gun owners care about the safety and proper handling and use of them.  I am seeing people actually waking up to it finally, the brainwashing Ironically by people like baldwin, by his actions are now seeing through the lies he and others spewed. for year.

                        #298162

                        Charges dropped against Alec Baldwin in fatal ‘Rust’ shooting

                        Charges against Alec Baldwin have been dropped in the fatal on-set “Rust” shooting, according to sources familiar with the matter.

                        Baldwin, 65, had been charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter after fatally shooting cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, on the New Mexico set of the Western in October 2021. The actor was practicing a cross-draw when the gun fired, striking the cinematographer and director Joel Souza, who suffered a non-life-threatening injury.

                        “We are pleased with the decision to dismiss the case against Alec Baldwin and we encourage a proper investigation into the facts and circumstances of this tragic accident,” Luke Nikas and Alex Spiro, the attorneys for Alec Baldwin, said in a statement.

                        Tis a two-tiered justice system.

                        And of course their attorneys are pleased their client does not have to face justice in the death of one person and the injury to another, all while getting PAID.

                        Justice sure is not BLIND, IMO.

                        #298209

                        I guess if you have the money and the “woke points,” anything is possible.

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