Does the Israeli Massacre end the Second Amendment Debate Forever?

Larry Correia wrote a really good book called In Defense of the Second Amendment. Being armed is like the number one deterrent. American hunters used to be feared because they were all good with rifles. There still would have been a tragedy, but if people were all armed, it would have at least been more of a fair fight, but instead, they ravers were sitting ducks. The situation is not that believable to me though.

As for the USA, who is behind the push for Gun Control always? Take note of that whenever the issue comes up and keep score. Another thing I liked about In Defense of the Second Amendment by Larry Correia is that he said the way you change things is just by nurturing the “gun culture.” This is why I smile when Ryan, Jeremy, Gary and others go to the range. Or Alex Jones goes to the range. Or Lauren Southern. That is the gun culture. Like a routine habit, maybe once a month, to go to the range and have fun. You know, if Az ever visits USA, you need to take him for a ride in a Corvette and then, go to the range. If Xray Girl and Krista are ever in the US, someone should take them for like a Pink Pistol Annies kind of thing. Make it a Girls Day Out. Cherish your gun culture. You are one of the only places in the world that has it.

I honestly don’t think you can connect one to the other.  The situations are far to different and are the way they are due to much history.

The ultimate purpose of the second amendment is to stave off a tyrannical government such as the founding fathers experienced.  And one of the things (there were many) that kicked off the revolutionary war was Great Britain saying, you guys are getting real uppity give us your guns.  So the entire idea of “no one takes our weapons” was born of the war itself.

The situation in Israel has nothing to do with the people defending themselves from their government but a foreign force.  That even in the USA is one of the few jobs the federal government is actually supposed to have.

But I see where you guys are saying it bleeds over and I get that I just don’t think they are comparable due to all the differences.

The establishment uses many propaganda words and phrases to fool people.  There are MANY examples of this.  One is “gun control”.  It’s really people control.  The entire argument is BS because criminals do not follow laws so that is useless.  The only way actual gun control would work is if there was a decree saying no one at all can have firearms and we will spend the next decade flushing them out of the country.  And that includes locking down the southern border to the n’th degree and making sure none come across.   Unless it gets that extreme, then any laws are worthless.

Now lets say that happened.  Let’s say we flushed all the weapons out and no one but the military and some law enforcement have them.  How does that work for the UK?  Well, instead of mass shootings they have mass stabbings.  And they are always talking about banning knives.  So their is literally no end to it.  When bad people want to harm others the tool they use is of no consequence.   The problem is not that people use guns to harm others, it’s that you have people willing to harm others.  That is a social and moral fabric issue.  And that moral fabric deal is the core problem of MANY of our issues if not most.

“Yes, the original intent of the law was to fend off the tyrannical British Government. But then, when dealing with specifics one can always find differences. The question is: Should we be bogged down by those differences?”

Nothing is bogged down?  I am simply saying you cannot compare conflict in Israel to the second amendment in the USA.  They don’t have a second amendment nor is our country surrounded by other countries that want to end us.  It’s just not relatable in my opinion.

“The way I see it there’s an insidious movement in the US by the Communist Leaning DEMonS where they’re creating factions among the citizenry and setting them upon each other to carry out their tyrannical agenda. In addition, they’re setting up a legal framework which allows their supporters to terrorize law abiding citizens and get away with it while criminalizing any push back against the oppression.”

If the Democrats in the USA were our only concern we would be doing OK.  But the fact is it’s not just the Democrats.  It’s most of the Republicans as well.  Sure, they might not publicly say or support the same things but behind closed doors and in the halls of Congress the Democrats and the Republicans are on the same team.  AKA The Establishment.

They are not setting up any legal framework.  They don’t need to.  All they have to do is not enforce the law for their minions and then put everyone else under the jail for violating the same laws.  And this is already the case.  Look at Trump.  They are literally making stuff up to jail, drain him of funds, and keep him busy.  They will and have done the same thing to anyone.  Roger Stone, Alex Jones, James O’Keefe.  Anyone that is a threat gets an FBI raid or worse like Julian Assange.

This is also very much international as the establishment is more or less doing the bidding of the WEF.

“The theme of tyranny presents itself in the modern world, disguised as something good but is just as dangerous.”

Tyranny is almost always cloaked as something positive.  No one would willingly accept it otherwise.

“Hell can’t be made attractive, so the devil makes attractive the road that leads there” — St. Basil the Great

“Most reasonable people would agree that the DEMonS are more dangerous at this time, so they must be dealt with first.”

No, they aren’t.  One is as dangerous as the other because they are all the same group.  Just because some names are listed with a “D” and others an “R” is functionally of no consequence.   The label means nothing at this point.  They are different sides of the ball for the same team.

“Selective enforcement is one of their weapons but it is disingenuous to claim they are not setting up a legal framework that supports their agenda.”

If I disagree with you on a point that does not make me disingenuous. I understand your point and I don’t disagree with what you are explaining.  But to me, a “legal framework” would be a system of legality.  Sure they modify laws and appoint their own judges but that pales in comparison to selective enforcement because any law can be used for you or against you.  Yes, judges play a part here but I would assert AGs and enforcement arms like the FBI play a larger one.  But that is all largely semantics so it does not matter.  It’s the outcomes that do and clearly bad people get let go and good people get stomped on when it pleases the powerful.

“And what is that check? An intelligent, non-compliant, armed population.”

In the case of the WEF that is not sufficient.  Being armed guards you against force but not financial pressure. And that is how the WEF is attacking the west, through financial “motivation”.   So instead of slapping a steak out of your hand or putting a gun to your head if you pick one up, they just cause it to cost 100x more and then you won’t buy it and of course that comes along with all the propaganda pushing the same thing.  That is why The American Cancer Society claims eating red meat is unhealthy and I know at one point it was listed as an actual carcinogen.   Think about how counterintuitive that is.  Eat all of our man-made chemicals and don’t worry but hey, those animals, those are bad for you. Insanity.

“All of that is to say: There are many forces outside of an overtly tyrannical Government that would do us harm and an armed citizenry is a check on those forces. That alone should give opponents of the 2nd amendment pause.”

Agreed 100%.  But anyone calling for gun control knows what you just stated and that is why they want to disarm everyone.  However, the wingnuts that support those calls don’t understand what’s in play.  They are just supporting current thing.

@Maverick

I am really not trying to be combative.  We actually agree on what you are saying I have just a slightly different take on some of the details and that is ok.

My main points are this as they differ a little from yours.

The Democrats and the Republicans are not 2 different groups.  They are the same group. Yes, one goes around spouting communist rhetoric and the other does not.  But the subsection of that group we call Republicans support the rhetoric and the same goals they just don’t say it out loud.  Which is why Republicans never stop the Democrats.  It’s because they don’t want to as their goals are the same.  This is why with 4 years of Trump little was done that was not an executive order which was simply reversed when Biden “won”.  There are a handful of folks not part of the establishment but the rest are part of the big group.

With the WEF, being armed is fairly useless.  People will do as the WEF wishes because they will motivate you economically as they already do.  This is because they know if you asked you would say no.  If they tried to force you, you would fight back.  So they “motivate” you instead.  I am not saying being armed is bad, I am simply saying in that case it does not help and we need different ways of resisting.

@Maverick

That’s a good point.  This one seems to just make everyone mad at one “side” or the other. I honestly don’t think it’s the case that either “side”  is innocent but there are differences in my mind.  In this case it is clear whom performed the evil.  Hamas did not try to take land back, negotiate or do anything strategic.  They simply lashed out and hurt who they could.  Israel now has a short window (of public opinion) to beat Hamas down as much as they can and they have a right to defend themselves.  And no, Hamas’ actions are not warranted.  Nothing warrants torturing/killing women and children.  Anyone who claims that has their thought process clouded by hatred.  Every single person who celebrated what happened is at best very wrong and at worst straight up evil.  You can support Palestine without cheering for atrocity.

@comicsgate

I think Lauren and Tim working together is a great situation.  Lauren is very good at making these things and Tim is doing very well trying to change culture and investing his own cash in things that do.  This should turn out to be great.  I hope they do more of it.  People can mock Pool all they want but he is doing what most people just flap their gums about.