Another Mental Health Mass Shooting – at least 16 killed in Maine

Just because someone decides to kill a person or people does not mean it’s a mental health issue.  Could it be?  Sure.  But we need to understand that we have a morality crisis here as well in the USA and the west to some degree in general.

Many will want to blame the gun.  The gun does nothing unless someone commands it to.  The root issue here is not the chosen tool of death but that a person decided life is meaningless and killed people.

In a time when people celebrate abortion, assisted suicide, and are told not to have kids and that some people are better than others it should not be a shock that the value of life we all used to understand is being lost.

And that has dire consequences as we are experiencing. That is not necessarily a mental health issue.  Most of it I feel is a lack of purpose and hope issue.  Since society focuses on the self and emphasizes that the path to happiness is repeated episodes of self gratification people become miserable and unfulfilled in the long term. They come to THE question.  Is this is all life is, what is the point?

Without the love of others, loving someone else yourself like children and a family and having nor moral guiding principle such as God , there is actually no point.  But if you understand those are the things life is about, you will find contentment.

Living life for yourself is a recipe for sadness no matter what drugs you do or how many people you sleep with.

“I also saw someone report the trigger of this was… revenge on some deaf employees where Card also worked.”

It’s really of no consequence why.  I think the motivation talk just takes away from the root cause which is we have a severe issue with morality right now. But with that said I think it’s very much human nature to wonder why and clearly if it’s an organized terrorism thing then that needs to be known as well.

But again, the problem here is not at all the gun.  It’s not mental health. It’s the absolute lack of any value on life.

“He had constant manic episodes, was in a state of paranoia and was hearing voices. That’s usually not due to ”lack of values on life”.”

I was speaking in generalities and not necessarily about this specific case.  But ultimately lack of value on life, crazy or not is the issue.  If a person places value on others you don’t murder them.

“In most cases of mass shootings like this the culprit is ready or even willing to die”

No.  You don’t decide to murder others because you want to kill yourself.  That’s basing causation on solely correlation. While these things both can be true simultaneously that’s does not have to be the case.

” He had an obvious death wish”

If that was his sole motivation he would have shot himself and that would be the end of it.  He wanted to harm and kill others.  Suicidal and homicidal are 2 different words.

“Removing his access to firearms could have at least decreased the death toll since it is near impossible to kill almost 20 people with a knife or your hands. Add sufficient mental health aid and it possibly could have prevented it.”

You do know that killing people is against the law right?  That did not seem to stop him.  So I doubt throwing an additional law at him would have prevented anything. Think of the times in the past someone has bombed something in the US.  Explosives in general are illegal to possess and highly regulated.  Yet these things happened.

“It’s like having the issue of your bread toaster being on maximum power and burning your bread but instead of turning the heat down you put the toaster in the freezer expecting it to solve the problem.”

No, it’s far more accurate to say that you repeatedly burn your bread and even though you have bought several new refrigerators the bread keeps burning and you don’t understand why because the refrigerator sales guy swears it will solve the problem.

The implement of death is not at all the issue.  The root cause is that you have people willing to harm others.  That is a societal ill, a problem with morality.  Whether they use a gun, a knife or a claw hammer is of little no consequence.  Sure, a gun is more efficient at killing people but that is not at all the root of the problem.  There are many places where there are no guns but they have issues with mass stabbings or problems with someone mowing folks over with a vehicle.

“if a person is mentally stable, they usually don’t kill people. The most common reason for mass shootings are usually mental illness, radical ideologies or a mixture of both of them.”

I disagree with that assertion.  Mental illness can be a factor but it is always the first card that comes out. I think this is gravitated to as it is hard to accept you just have some portion of the population perfectly OK with harming people.  I believe this is often an ideological thing because the only other explanation is a lack or morality and then that causes morality to become something you cannot ignore even though many people try.

Radical ideologies are simply just a different set of morals unless your premise is that is also mental illness?  Are the thousands of people in Hamas, Hezbollah and the Taliban all mentally unstable?

” Which is why I believe adding more firearms and security to patrol or protect is not gonna help when a mass shooter enters because they are absolutely prepared to die for their cause.”

I tend to agree with this.  Arming more people could help but it does not really solve anything.  Neither does more law enforcement. Law enforcement does not prevent crime, it only reacts to it once it has happened.   Again, the root cause is that you have lost enough moral fiber where some portion of the population has no problem with hurting others.

” but I do believe putting more effort in recognizing and taking care of mental illness and not letting a mentally ill person have access to firearms would prevent a lot of them. You would agree that a mentally unstable person strapped with firearms is not a good idea?”

So you are logically expecting a mentally ill person whom has already decided to break the law by murdering other people to not obtain a firearm illegally?  That has almost no chance of helping anything.  Again the problem is not so much mental illness but a waning collective moral code.  This is due to decades of drumming God out of everything and a vast push for moral relativism.  However, I will agree that mental health is in an overall issue.  But we should be FAR MORE concerned about why there are so many people in this state now. I only ever hear politicians asking for more money to address the problem of treatment.  I see almost no one asking why this is the case.  That is like being more concerned about mopping up the blood on the floor versus closing the wound in your jugular.

“Some people from this forum discussed taking guns away from trans people becsuse they are ”mentally ill”

I agree that anyone suffering from gender dysphoria is mentally ill.  I don’t use the term transgender anymore as that has been rendered meaningless via overuse as a propaganda word.  But if you say any mental illness means no guns, then that would have to be the case here as well.  But I don’t advocate for that.  It’s does not matter.  It is not the root cause and if we decide to take away weapons from anyone with a mental situation then 50% or more will fall into this category easily.  And in that case I care squat about that person believing they were in the wrong body.  The atrocity that occurred on that day, the gender or other such things are not what matters.  The focus on that I believe is wasted energy.

“It’s not about any political agenda, it can be summarizes to something as simple as do not let crazy people have instruments which can murder 20 people in the matter of seconds.”

I can understand and appreciate that.  And overall I agree with you.  But as everything, it ends up a political football used to play a game where no one cares about the people and all that matters is winning.

Again though.  You are NOT going to stop “crazy” people from having weapons.  You can force them to have them illegally but that matters not at all if they shoot people with a legal gun or an illegal one.  Look at the UK and others parts of Europe.  They have ZERO guns, but they have a lot of stabbings and ones often referred to as mass stabbings.

And that is my entire point.  The root cause is not the chosen implement of death.  People in Europe have been mass run over by vehicles a number of times.  No gun required to slaughter many people.  So trying to restrict access to one form of death implement will never help.  You must attack the actual illness and not a symptom.   Yes, anyone whom is straight up insane should be restricted.  They should be in an asylum so they cannot harm folks and treatment can be attempted.  But you HAVE to solve the moral crisis to make this issue better.

“Simply radicalization (statistically most often religious or far right extremism) is often a common reason for mass shootings.”

You are such a propagandist.  But at least you are consistent.

Yes.  I am certain Mao, Stalin, the Khmer Rouge, Hitler, and Che Guevara were all religious right wing extremists.

“I don’t really understand the notion of the attitude like ”it’s not gonna solve all the problems so why even bother”

That’s not my claim at all.  My claim is that it helps nothing in the least and spending time on it is counterproductive as you are not addressing the root cause.   It’s akin to spending time on getting buckets to catch the blood from your open jugular instead of mopping it up because the buckets save time vs. mopping.

“Illegally purchased firearms are way harder to get,”

You have just demonstrated you know nothing about what you speak.  That violates reality equally as bad as saying a man can turn into a woman.

“People in manic episodes tend to act very spontaneously when they are on their highs”

So is your assertion that only bi-polar folks are mentally ill?  Or that only bi-polar folks harm people?

“What I am trying to say is, why is it such a bad idea to at least try to make it as difficult as possible for mentally unstable people to have access to tools made for taking other living creatures lives? It won’t stop them from getting firearms illegally but that process is way more expensive and complicated,”

Again you demonstrate that you know little about what you speak.  Getting an illegal firearm is cheaper and easier and that is because of the regulations in place for people who actually follow the law.

What you are advocating for does almost nothing.  It is a concentration on a making killing people slightly less efficient in some circumstances.  This takes time away from the actual root cause which is mental illness and a lack of morality and or value on life.  This idea that anyone whom wishes to kill people is mentally ill is also silly.  At what point do we switch from murder to mentally ill?  Is it 2 deaths?  3 ?  4? 10+?

“I would like to hear something to back this up, what makes you think of that?”

In the west, God has been disappeared  from everything quite intentionally since at least the late 80’s.  And at the same time we have arrived at this point where if someone has a desire, a belief or a feeling it should be considered valid simply because they have it.  This began with the “all cultures all equal” thought process.   Things have gone downhill due to this because there is no longer a common morality or a common social contract.  If morality (a standard for human behavior) becomes subjective then it ceases to exist.  25+ years ago female genital  mutilation (FMG) was (in the west) universally considered abhorrent and their were many campaigns against it.   Now, not lopping off your kids no-no parts is considered bigotry.

“From what I understand, religious countries tend to have more shootings”

I can state countries with brown people tend to have way more bombings than countries that don’t.  There might be a kernel of truth to that but that does not mean brown people = bombs.  I know you hate religion.  You have made this clear.  God loves you in spite of that.

“If transgendered people are considered mentally ill then I would have to consider religious people mentally ill also.

Well according to the DSM  or prior versions of it for decades, transgender = dysphoria = mental illness.  I  have never heard anyone claim religion was mental illness.

” And they are statistically speaking significantly more likely to be dangerous with a firearm””

Dude, please.  I can state the Atlanta Falcons were the spawns of Satan and cursed by John Madden (RIP) because I hate them but that does not make it true.  But seriously I hate the Falcons.

“Well it’s a relief they don’t have guns right?”

If I had an alcoholism problem I probably should not be so concerned that whiskey is worse for me than beer than the thought I should not drink at all.

“Also, the USA has more stabbings per capita than the UK.”

That’s very America-phobic of you.  It seems to be actually the USA .06% and the UK is .08% per 100k (2019 data from the UN).  You can slander the USA however you wish but it has nothing to do with the fact that the method of murder is of little consequence vs. the  fact that more people are willing to murder.

” I joined Timcast in order to watch Infringed”

Excellent. Tim Pool (among others) is coming at this all at the correct angle.  They are freely debating, being truth spreaders and intentionally trying to affect culture organically through those means.  In contrast the radicals do nothing but apply propaganda, spread lies, use doublespeak and censor.  The difference is the radicals will tell you anything to fool you and fear you into agreeing, folks like Pool just offer you the correct information.

Tim Pool whether people agree with what he says or not is doing more to help the country than any politician I can think of.  We need many such people in communities doing the same thing.

If I had an alcoholism problem I probably should not be so concerned that whiskey is worse for me than beer than the thought I should not drink at all.

No, but if there was a person trying to kill me I would be way less worried seeing a fat unathletic person with a knife who is across the street which provides me the chance to run away or in the worst case pick up any object to defend myself, than if there was the same person fully strapped with an automatic rifle with red dot sight and extended mags ready to blast me with holes. This is just a silly argument, and you know it. Which do you think is easier: killing 20 people with a kitchen knife or a full auto firearm? And which one gives you a chance to fight back or escape?

According to Science Daily, 33% of people hospitalized with wounds from gunshots die, while only 7.7% of people with stab wounds die. Which gives you a 4 times better chance to survive AFTER getting hurt, adding to the fact that against knives it is way easier to avoid getting hurt in the first place.

That’s very America-phobic of you.  It seems to be actually the USA .06% and the UK is .08% per 100k (2019 data from the UN).  You can slander the USA however you wish but it has nothing to do with the fact that the method of murder is of little consequence vs. the  fact that more people are willing to murder.

I might be wrong, I would like to see the study which I couldn’t find. The one I found was from Euronews which suggested 0.48 for the UK and 0.49 for the USA. But either way, the numbers are really close which means that there really isn’t a phenomenon where the UK has insane mass stabbings becsuse they don’t have firearms, it’s just that the USA has pretty much similar numbers AND the firearm issue