Attacks Against Religious Beliefs Continues

I think if you oppose gay people because of religion then you are on some dumb shit

A couple of thoughts:

1. If they can make a web designer create a web site for a gay wedding even if the designer does not want to, then what kind of power does that give them? Will they, for example, start requiring writers to include gay relationships in their stories? Is that too great a leap in their logic?

2. Opposition is not oppression. It is one thing to say “What you’re doing is wrong”, which is what Christians say to homosexuals and anyone else who practices and supports sexually immoral acts, and to say “What you’re saying should be silenced and you should be forced to agree with us”, which is what the homosexuals are saying to the Christians and anyone else who disagrees with them.

Christians nor Catholics (I am Catholic in full transparency) hate anyone.  Yes the Bible says homosexual acts are wrong.  But Jesus himself came to save the sinners.  Everyone has a chance and redemption.  Everyone has a cross to bear.

The left LOVES to use this very thing as a wedge, to separate people from God because God gets in the way of state control.  The truth is gay folks are no different in God’s eyes than anyone else.  We all make mistakes, we all are called to holiness, we all are offered mercy.

Yes, gay people are supposed to abstain from sexual acts with the same sex but then all people are called to abstain in one fashion or another.  It is not right for anyone to give way to their passions, wants or inclinations.  All people are equal in that.

Regardless of who you are, asking or even demanding tolerance and understanding and being totally unwilling to give any is not only hypocrisy but it reveals that your calls for tolerance are disingenuous.

@SuperSoynic_Speed

“bible thumpers”

See, you are not above the issues sir.  You are part of the problem.

You declare fairness must be had that there must be equality, yet you are unwilling to render any.

As has been stated by multiple followers of Christ on this forum, no one is against gay people yet you continue to spout that very thing.  In fact we believe they are as God made them. We are told by scripture that the sexual activity is wrong.  And it’s not the case that this is the only thing that is stated as being a sin yet folks like yourself act like it is.  There are many things folks do for themselves each day considered sin.  Many of them illegal since much of wester law is derived from the morality of the Bible.

God gives us all freewill.  You can follow him or choose to give him the finger.  What we are not supposed to do is make that choice for others.  As a Christian I believe if you want to live the gay lifestyle you can, but I fear for your soul (the same fear I have for mine as none of us are perfect) but I won’t try to cancel you because you do.  Your life is yours to live.  However, that same choice is not afforded me by the radical left who attempts to force me to accept their beliefs.

See here is the contrast between the radical left stuff and Christianity. Both are religions.  Both have concepts such as original sin and sin itself.  The difference is Christianity has absolution.

EDIT – @SuperSoynic_Speed , please understand I consider our banter conversations where we both have the opportunity to learn something.  I am not at all trying to be combative or fight you.  My zeal is for the conversation, it is not aggression.

• This reply was modified 2 years, 10 months ago by Vknid.

–I find it funny how the people who are self proclaimed ”free thinkers” are the same people who oppose gay people and see it as a sin because ”uuhhhh well the bible said so, idk it must be like that”.

I don’t know whether I’m what anyone would term a “free thinker” or not, nor does it really matter; however, what the Bible says does matter. If the God who created us has spoken to us, and if he has told us how we should and should not act, then that is a big deal.

— I guess I will never find common ground with people who see humans as unequal based on gender, skin color, sexuality etc.

If there is one way people are equal, it is that all people, all individuals, have broken God’s laws. To put it the way the Bible itself puts it, “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God”. All are guilty, and all deserve the punishment, “The wages of sin is death”.

Self-righteousness, which is little more than pride, should have no root in the Christian. But, then, the Christian is still fallen, and still fights the sin in them, including pride. But saying the certain acts are sinful is not in itself self-righteousness or pride. Am I necessarily self-righteous if I say that murder is wrong? Am I prideful if I say that a man is wrong if he cheats on his wife? What about all the people walking into stores and stealing and looting, is it wrong to say that stealing is wrong?

There is one other way we are all equal, “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners”. Saul, the man who became Paul the Apostle, was first a man who persecuted the church, having believers put into prisons. Peter denied Christ. At the betrayal and trial and crucifixion of Christ, the disciples fled. They did nothing to earn the forgiveness Christ gave them, and nor can any of us. I certainly can’t. My sins often run through my mind, haunting me.

If forgiveness and salvation are things to be earned, then we all fail. And there is no curve, there is no pointing at others and saying I or my group is better than they are. Unless God saves us by a gift, by giving us what we cannot earn, then we are lost. But that is how God saves us, “By grace you have been saved through faith, it is the gift of God, not something you gain from your works.”