Calls to destroy the Republican Party has begun

The Republican and Democratic parties in the US seem to have the same issue as the Tories and Labour do in the UK. Instead of representing one viewpoint they are a ‘broad church’ of supposedly similar but not identical views.

To me the Democrats seem to be made up of hard line socialists, crony capitalists and a very few genuine liberals (in the original sense of the word). On the other hand the Republicans are a mix of constitutional purists, religious conservatives and more crony capitalists. Unfortunately in both parties it is the crony capitalists who have control of the mechanisms of power and they don’t want to give it up even though the base of both parties may come from different groups. They are relying on their supporters seeing them as the lesser of two evils.
Sooner or later though they are going to face a massive revolt. They should look at what happened to the UK MPs who tried to defy the result of the Brexit referendum. People who had voted for the same party for decades suddenly switched when they saw that their support was not being returned by their so-called representatives.

I would say there are some differences between the mainstream UK and US parties.

The Labour party is much more left-wing than the Democrats. Jeremy Corbyn is so far-left he makes Bernie Sanders and even AOC look like moderates; his manifesto for Britain would’ve seen the nationalization of practically every industry and if he somehow won the 2019 election we may as well have just pledged allegiance to China at that point. There’s a minor Communist Party in the UK and even they say, “Yeah, just vote Labour. They pretty much stand for the same things we do at this point.”

I know he’s not party leader, anymore. But I think Momentum, Corbyn’s fan club that have pushed the Labour old-guard to the fringes, realized their folly and got Keir Starmer as leader as just a front to try and draw back voters in. Which sadly might work; most of Labour’s voting bloc are proud working-class Northerners who rightfully scorn the Conservatives because of how the Conservative Party has screwed over the North in generations past. Most of them vote Labour simply because it’s family tradition and they don’t want to be the one that breaks that tradition, and sometimes it’s a bit of a struggle trying to help them see this isn’t the same party that their grandfather voted for.

Granted, Brexit broke the ice in some respects, and Johnson had a golden opportunity to permanently siphon these votes away forever. But with the recent lockdowns, he’s completely screwed up in that regard. I can’t imagine going back to Labour thinking somehow they’re preferable, but you know what they say about a loyal hound.

And the Conservative Party is a feeble opposition. It’s basically what the GOP would be like if the RINO’s took over the party completely. Except instead of neocons who at least put up a fight on guns and abortion, they’re neoliberals who cave to the Left on almost every social issue (during the BLM riots last summer they were confounded as to why it was all happening and genuinely didn’t seem to understand how anarchists could hate British history: “But we abolished slavery before America did! And Churchill took the fight to the Nazi’s!” As if any of that matters to them). The only thing they’re conserving at this point is what Labour was like under Tony Blair. They at least push back on the socialist nonsense but they otherwise worship GDP and want endless immigration in order to keep wages down.

So, yeah, our choice between parties is a far-left tyranny or a center-left oligarchy. Death by gunshot or death by a thousand cuts. Great choice.

There are handful of genuinely principled MP’s but people really need to stop pinning their hopes on a few people in a corrupt system to somehow change it. As Gerrard Batten once said, the only way politicians listen is if you threaten their seats. I have a half a mind to join the Heritage Party.

With something like the “Great Reset” looming I think now more than ever is a time to get politically involved. You don’t necessarily have to run for office if you don’t think you’re up to such a public position, but it’s important to engage with your community in any you know best. People tend to vote for whatever is in their self-interest. If more people can be persuaded that these long-standing parties are now working against them than the bigger of a resistance we can build.

• This reply was modified 3 years, 10 months ago by FallenOmegaStar.

And in regards to America I understand the temptation to form a separate party but I don’t think it would work. What separates America’s parties from other countries is that you guys don’t have a parliamentary system, and the Democrats and GOP are giant tents for multiple ideologies.

The next two-four years will see the neocons try to regain control of the party and will probably put forward people like Nikki Haley or Mitt Romney, who will put out some nationalist talking points to make you think they “get it” but then sit on their thumbs once actually in office (don’t forget: Republicans got the biggest majority in generations in 2016 and then did fucking nothing with it). If anything you guys should take the chance to kick these guys to the curbside forever and back the America First movement. Men like Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley are the way forward (I might even suggest Ted Cruz. Guy’s had the biggest redemption arc in the last four years).

As for Trump himself I’m not sure if he should run again (assuming he’ll be allowed to). He might be better off running a media empire to help grassroots movements than run for office again. Yes, the man didn’t back down from a fight, but worst he did was verbally humiliate his opponents, (or fire cabinet members who didn’t get on board) and then leave the door open in case they changed their mind and became willing to work with him. They never took that opportunity. It’s time for someone much more ruthless who is willing to break up organizations that are actively working to undermine American patriotism.

What we need:

A new political party based on conservative family values

Make it legal to do home schooling and illegal for public schools to teach false information to kids/adult students. The whole reason we have a bunch of angry idiots running around hating America is they’ve been told lies about the history of the USA and there are really weird lies going on in biology classes across this country.

Term limits. Congress and Senate reps can’t serve more than 4 years, period! This would force US the people to get much more involved in who we want representing us and to be much more aware of whats going on. It would also endanger the corporate/lobbyists hold on our reps. It would also encourage regular citizens with no political experience to run for office. That’s who we need in office anyway. People with no political agenda and no reason to hold on to “power” for several years. Regular people who are aware of the issues in their communities/States representing their communities/States. This law would destroy career politicians and put the power squarely back in OUR hands and voices, where it’s supposed to be in the first place.Regular people, parents with kids, or even young adults with no children, would do a much better job representing their communities because they would want to do it knowing the stress levels associated with the position would only exist for 4 years.

Fake news laws. When a tv news station broadcast 3 incorrect stories they are deemed propaganda not news. The result is they are shut down for 6 months. No broadcasting of any kind. If after reopening and getting another 3 strikes their license is terminated and their corporation is liquidated. All their assets are auctioned off to the general public. All journalists belonging to the news group loose their credentials/license and are fined $250,000 each and can never be a reporter/news anchor/journalist again and can never run a blog in the United States again. If this law became reality and was enforced it would cause all real journalist/reporters who only want to report the truth with zero spin to jump ship by the time the 2nd offense came around before the news station was put in time out for 6 months. And of course CNN (communist news network) would cease to exist within the first 15 hours of this law being passed.

WE DO NOT NEED A THIRD PARTY.

SINCE WE DONT USE A PARLIMENTARY SYSTEM THAT WILL DO NOTHING BUT GIVE THE DNC 100% CONTROLL OF EVERYTHING.

Those the same polls that said Killary had a 99% chance of winning all 50 states?