Continuing the Friday Night Tights discussion

There is no right or wrong here, because it is not an argument about facts, it is an argument about your preferences for your money spending. Both points of view are understandable and both points can be strengthened and weakened by further argumentation.

I guess what made the FNT’s thing so drawn out and boring for me was the fact that, at its core, Az was just giving his preference without demanding anything while Jeremy was giving his preference, arguing Az is wrong, demanding Az changes his preference and using straw-maning, white noising, association fallacy and some kind of definition creep to do so all at the same time – seemingly without realizing it. Or he was just arguing for arguments sake which I also find exhaustingly boring.

Yeah, and as I said, there can be further arguments made for and against both preferences, especially if we follow them through to the end. But I aggree that Jeremy was really inconsistent, almost to the point of incoherence at times. For example: He said customer service is good product and that is the only thing he is interested in. He also said he doesn’t care about customer service. Which is it now? But that is exactly the defintion creep I was talking about. Customer service became the quality of the product, companies and creators (in the broadest sense of the definition) sometimes where one and the same, sometimes they weren’t, deciding what you yourself want to do with your money without making any demands to anybody else suddenly where SJW tactics. The problem with that is that all the arguments made with the standard definitions suddenly make no sense anymore, because the definitions have changed.

You can say you don’t care about customer service, only the product. That is fine and I can understand that, wether or not I agree. When you then follow that up with customer service IS the good product, you are incoherent and the question of agreement/disagreement plops off into the ether.

Generally speaking, as a consumer, I don’t boycott over a company’s political opinions or affiliations or lobbying practices. Most of the time, I just buy what I like.

I do boycott companies that make decisions or engage in practices that endanger consumers.  For example, I refuse to buy Peter Pan peanut butter due to the roach feces fiasco years ago.   I also refuse to buy Eukaneuba/Iams pet food due to the melamine contamination incident with the Iams  brand years ago.  In both cases, I have superior alternatives anyway, so this is painless and easy.

The same goes for Naugthy Dog and TLoUP2.  I’m not ignoring TLoUP2 because of Neil Druckmann’s political or social opinions, nor because of what Sony did to content creators on YouTube and Twitter (sorry guys).  Rather, I’m not buying the game because I know I’m not going to like the game.  If the sequel had heart and soul featuring a story about people bonding through adversity and holding on to the smallest strand of hope to overcome daunting challenges — you know, like the first game, I would buy it anyway (sorry guys).  But Neil Druckmann himself admitted the sequel was anything but, and early reviewers have confirmed that.  So it’s a “bad product”, imo.

Regarding customer service, that sometimes does factor into my purchases if what I’m buying is a high-value item that I expect to last a long time, like a car. It depends on the product.  I don’t care about customer service regarding any of the above companies, because in those cases the value is relatively small and the customer service in question would normally be a third-party, the retailer — Amazon or Publix.

The exception is intangible products — like phone or internet services.  I those cases, yes, customer service vs. product quality probably weighs about 50/50 only  because without reliability, there is no “product” (i.e., how often does the service go down, and when the service is down, how quickly is it restored).  In this case, yeah, customer service is a big part of the product.

Bottom line, yeah, I agree with Jeremy, if his contention was “I don’t care what they say as long as they deliver a good product.”

P.S. About this scenario:

“If you walked into a restaurant that made the best steaks in the city and the chef came out, placed the steak on your table and lectured you on how you were a sick fucking bastard because you ate meat and called you all sorts of names, would you still keep coming back?”

I wouldn’t want to buy any food prepared by someone with such lack of respect and self-control, because he’d just as soon lace the food with something miserable. I think this is consistent; in this case the verbal assault lends to suspicions about the product, why I would no longer buy it.

I’ll give you an extreme counter example.

The carbonated drink “Fanta” originated as a Coca-Cola substitute in Nazi Germany.  Nazis said a lot of crap.  And they did far, far worse.

I still buy this product they invented. I buy it for my husband now because it doesn’t contain artificial caffeine (which is made from urea – gross!).   Bottom line, if the product is good and fulfills a need at a fair price, yes I’ll buy it.

Talk is cheap, and I have thick skin. I’m a capitalist.

All of Hollyweird = woke feminist.  Some might hide it better but make no mistake about it they are all the same woke crap.  Or they would not even be in Hollyweird.  Also its gotta be about the product because what happens if we as a society stopped going to our favorite restaurants / fast food places / theme parks / bars etc just based on the political views of the owner(s) ?  So many places would end up shut down.  All of Entertainment is woke media & by all means ignore the companies that make it all about being woke such as Disney.  But if we ignored everything based on being woke / political views ?  Each product should be judged fairly on their own merit case by case.  Otherwise might as well just have every restaurant be Taco Bell & Demolition Man inches closer & closer

Technically TCW can override the EU because its at a higher tier in the canon so that’s why I don’t care about the lore contradictions or I don’t let it ruin my enjoyment of the show. George wanted Anakin to have a padawan in the show.