Disney Star Wars Canon issues.
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I’m well aware that Lucas approved of EU content, but those are not his stories. At the time of the Clone Wars he still had the right to change any and all of what there was before in order to tell his own stories. He did that with the Clone War stuff that came out before with the books and comics to tell his own story. A lot of people don’t seem to realize that it was George himself that wanted to create a Clone Wars show, not Filoni. When he made that decision, all previous Clone Wars content was no longer canon. Sad yes, I enjoyed those novels and comics, but George had that right. So yes, anything that can be thrown away in an instant by the creator I consider to be fanfiction. Does that mean they are not good or that they are talentless authors? No, you can like any EU stuff you want. Most of it I would say is really good. I just don’t take anything not done by Lucas that seriously. They are just fun stories of what other people think happened to characters we love.
Secondly, my point with George and The Clone Wars was that everyone that doesn’t like it blames Dave for all of its “problems” when George okayed everything that was put in it. They both sat in the writer’s room and discussed each arc. They would both be to blame if there is something in there that you don’t like. I, for instance, agree with you that Ahsoka should have died, but apparently George was convinced otherwise. (That or they changed the ending after he sold the company. We will probably never know.) Remember a lot of the great lines in the Original Trilogy were made up by the actors and George went along with it. While making Star Wars is a collaborative effort, he always has the final say. He became a little more stubborn during the prequels which, I think we can agree as one reason why they are worse than the Original Trilogy.
To your point, of course the EU had George’s vision throughout it. It wouldn’t feel like Star Wars if it didn’t. I think we would both point to the Disney Trilogy for an example of that. I also agree that, as a whole, it is better than The Clone Wars, however, it did have many, many more years to grow into what we see today. It doesn’t change the fact that if George had not sold the company and then created a show following the events of ROTJ, he could have deleted years worth of canon material.
To finish, my main point is that, while I’m not a Clone Wars fan that thinks it’s a masterpiece, I just don’t see how everyone can blame Filoni for “destroying” Star Wars canon when it was George’s ideas and stories, and since was so heavily involved.
Also know that I am not a Dave Filoni apologist. I cannot defend many of his choices in Rebels from Thrawn to the helicopter lightsabers. Just know that the relationship with Dave and George was more like George tells him to do something and Dave figures out how to do it. For example, bringing Maul back. Filoni had very little control over what happened in the stories and George had to give permission to anything Dave said to do storywise.
the Yuuzhan Vong being immune to the Force. These are things that Lucas later said can’t happen. Because of this, you have to take any EU material with a grain of salt. George is known for picking from the EU for his own stories and slightly changing it to fit within his context.
Let’s be accurate with this one. The Vong are not immune to the Force. The Force is blind to them…but, not to spoil anything for anyone, that is not the case when you reach the end of the New Jedi Order and we learn about the TRUE origins of the Vong and why they are blind in the Force, part of it being that they were in an entirely different galaxy where the Force probably did not have sway.
To your point about would I blindly accept anything Lucas did prior to Disney, had he posted anything after RotJ. I’d like to say no, because I was really pissed at Lucas prior to the sale for the way he re-edited the OT blu rays. Okay, story time. True story, I shit you not.
I’m in Costco. 2010 I believe, or whenever the first round of Star Wars blu rays came out. We all know this was the blinking Ewoks and Vader going “Nooooo” during the throne room finale. These kinds of changes, among others had pissed me off royally to the point where I refused to give the man anymore of my money until he went sane and stopped messing with the OT any further. So here I am in Costco looking at the blu rays, and some random dude comes up beside me and starts looking at it too. I look at him and literally go, “You don’t want to buy that. Lucas has messed with it too much. It’s bad. Save your money.” Guy looks at me goes, “Oh yeah? Thanks man.” He puts it down and walks away.
Yes. I Jedi mind tricked his ass. To this day I am proud of that moment.
My point with that story is that I would not have blindly bought/consumed anything Lucas put out. The fact that he had abdicated making any new Star Wars for 20 years before the PT, farming it out to novels, comics, and videogames that were under his supervision to me meant he had no stories left to tell. That he understood his universe was in good hands and that the fanbase was happy and spending money. I harken back to when TCW came out, I turned up my nose at it and routinely said, “I pity kids who think this is what Star Wars is, today.” Looking back, I wish for those days again. I was pretty ignorant as to how good I had it as a Star Wars fan.
Fuck you, Disney.
Now back to Grievous. For your viewing consumption, I present these:
These were our first introductions to Grievous through Tartakovsky. A brutal badass that even two Jedi Masters had a problem dealing with. That second picture is basically what Mace Windu comes upon before he takes on Grievous during the “kidnapping”. Now, Mace totally owns Grievous, because he was a total badass as well. Especially with the final move that Force crushes Grievous’ chest, which again is why he’s wheezing when RotS begins. As you have pointed out, TCW erases Tartakovsky’s genius mini series, leaving the massive question for anyone who watches RotS after watching TCW?
Why is Grievous wheezing? Filoni, the great caretaker and man who supposedly knows Star War so well who can give everyone such great content…what kept him from telling one more story at the end of s07, reimagining or not, of the events surrounding the Battle of Coruscant? Why not be a true Star Wars story teller and precisely and cleanly tie TCW to the movies, maybe with some extra dialogue or scenes prior to RotS beginning to clean up the ever present retcon fuck up that is how many times Dooku faced Anakin and Obi-wan thanks to TCW. Imagine if he had gone the extra distance to do that. A move like that would have bought so much good will with fans like myself.
But he didn’t and never will. Why? My belief is because he cannot tell a real story, especially if his pet Ahsoka is not in it, because he has no heart for it otherwise. Now, that does not mean Ahsoka did not evolve and progress as a character. She did. I’m not going to take that away from TCW. She got plenty of development to the point where she earned her status as a powerful Jedi. She is not a mary sue. But for me, that does not change the glaring fact as I see it, that she was shoe horned into the Star Wars universe and because of that it opened the doors to countless retcons that mess with the PT and OT, which no matter what should and always be the core of the canon…midichlorians can still go fuck themselves…fight me.
As for being civil, why wouldn’t I be? You haven’t called me names or anything, and I haven’t attacked you. We’re two fans having a fan debate. It’s what we’re supposed to be doing, because we’re different people with different experiences. No one is really going to win this debate, but that’s not why we’re doing it. We’re doing it to express ourselves and open the minds of other people to possibly sharing out opinions.
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