Ethan Van Sciver vs Friday Night Tights

Very well written with so many good points explained. Ethan was more fun in the Rose Tico era. Now, he seems like a grouchy critic of his peers and punching sideways instead of up. For all the drama and beef, FNT is just way fun with good laughs and comments. Ethan has said many times that he is only in it for the money. Also, his buyers have noted that he is slow to deliver. I used to watch EVS a lot, and notifications still come to my droid phone even though I don’t watch him much anymore.

After reading this post, I went out and bought a copy of Scarred, which was George’s book. It was the one Gary mentioned recently. https://www.amazon.com/Scarred-Memoir-George-Molho/dp/1440195137 You are right about Gary’s ability to network. He convinced me to go to Chrissie Mayr’s comedy show, so I got a brief chance to shake Gary’s hand. He seems like just a good friend. The people who know him are lucky. I didn’t, so I kept it real short.

Makes me chuckle a bit when EVS calls FNT a bunch of zeroes. EVS name-drops Geoff Johns, who is about as big as you can get, so that’s where he’s coming from and EVS has a true talent, so people will believe him when he calls FNT losers, but let’s look deeper than the surface. Jeremy is a HS dropout who is about to release his second video game. Dan Vasc had a number one hit Heavy Metal theme song. They have had guests like Zack Snyder and Alex Jones so far. Eric July just interviewed Chuck Dixon and Rippa is working on his own comics. Ryan Kinel was a HS dropout and then, we find out he was a fucking Navy nuclear scientist. Xray girl is a medical professional. Pierry Chan clearly has tons of video talent, but I do not know his story. How long has FNT even been around? Seems like they are kicking ass in a very short period of time. Unlike other groups shut down by youtube, FNT is producing music, comics, events and video games. Ethan is too big to notice, I guess. Maybe he doesn’t see what others do.

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By the way, all of this applies to, I believe, RK (was it?) who dissed Doomcock on FNTs recently.

Gary needs to setup a reconciliation show and patch things up between the various players. And these players need to agree to eat some shit to get it done.

Dude, that was 3-4 months ago. Ryan just happened to be the vocal frustration that many of us were feeling about people constantly trying to play rumors as fact, and the fact that Doomcock at that time had basically turned his entire channel into a rumor mill about Lucasfilm Civil Wars. Doomcock’s following Twitter metldown was embarrassing and did end up causing the end of The Inquisition show. Within a week Gary did work things out behind the scenes, so what you are talking about is drama that was already resolved.

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Your eagerness to engage pointless conflict without concern for its repercussions on the scene you pretend doesn’t exist reveals immaturity on your part.

Okay.

1) I’m fully within my right to say EVS looks dumb dying his beard. It’s an opinion. I’m allowed to have it.

2) It’s called joking around to close out my post with something mildly humorous that many people are actually digging into EVS about these days since he did it two weeks ago. No one is “eagerly engaging in pointless conflict”. Seems to me you are the one who wants to engage in conflict because….

…I was keeping this about the facts, about the what’s going on, but you then had to go and call me immature. My friend, I’m giving you a chance here to take it back. You have stated you are new here, so I’m going to give you an out, since you don’t know how I operate when I choose to enter a debate on these forums. What we have engaged here is a debate about an issue, an issue that has nothing to do with me or you personally. When I engage in debates on these forums, I don’t make it personal. I keep it on topic, and I don’t get involved if someone is going to be a pissant troll.

So here’s your out. You don’t know me. You aren’t a regular. I’ve been here since the beginning. Don’t carelessly toss out an insult like calling me immature without knowing with whom you are engaging with. Ask anyone here. I may be strident/entrenched in some of my opinions, fiery at times, maybe even a dick in by some perspectives, but I’m not immature and I take debating in these forums very seriously when I choose to take part.

Now.

On with the show.

You didn’t mention why you think TFM isn’t a useful term these days. If you have previously commented on that, I’d like to read about it. For me, TFM gathers up various threads of cultural criticism surrounding various fandoms, like Star Wars (obviously), Star Trek, Marvel and DC, and Doctor Who. I’m not sure there is a better term.

All right then. You want hard facts as to why TFM is a pointless term now? Who even talks about it? Where is the relevance? From your perspective it covers all the franchises you mention, but in reality it does not. TFM formed in rebellion against Disney Star Wars. Disney Star Wars continues to ravage the legacy of Star Wars, where is the TFM constantly talking about how bad the comics are? How bad the TV shows are? Did any of them stand up and say how transparent the “return” of Luke was in Mando S02? Did they remind everyone over and over again that all roads lead to Jake Skywalker?

No.

As far as I see TFM is more interested in being worried about who is looking at whose channels. Who isn’t playing nice with someone else.

TFM has noting to do with anything but Star Wars. There is no better term, because there doesn’t need to be ANY term to unify people. None of us who have channels that are fighting against the SJW take over of our beloved franchises need to belong to ANYTHING except being fans of something. To lump us into any sort of organization limits us and limits what we can do.

We are individuals who sometimes come together, but most times work with our own goals in mind.

I am fighting to create a similar realm to Comicsgate for novelists, but it is simply meant to be a network where people can support one another and bring attention, just like Comicsgate is supposed to be. There does not need to be leadership, there doesn’t need to be anything listed necessary to want to do it…you just need to work hard and help where you can to make the space grow.

 

I disagree because (a) TFM is an algorithmically constricted audience, and (b) there is too much overlap in the audience that remains. If the scene was growing, I’d agree with you. Apparently you think the idea of a “scene” is passe, but I’m not convinced.

Says who? Says you? Audiences overlap all over the place, and the only thing anyone who shares an audience should be mindful of is not to talk shit. You wanna play it safe and no piss off overlapping audiences? Don’t stir up drama about other YouTubers, especially if it doesn’t involve you. You seem to be the one who wants us all to be under a single umbrella where we all have to get along, hold hands, and dance across the fields merrily.

TFM was a thing for a year. Then it phased out because NO ONE IS REALLY A PART OF IT because IT ISN’T AN ORGANIZATION! It was a hashtag…that’s all it was. Only those who wanted to have sway and control wanted to make it something more than it was. At best, it was a rallying call that told people they were not alone, and from that people created their own places across Social Media in order to fight the SJW horde.

If you want to believe that TFM actually means more than it is, you are free to do so, but you are probably standing on that hill all by yourself. I can tell you for a fact these forums, which serve as a a TRUE example of where multiple audiences congregate….

…no one here talks about TFM….ever….

 

I’m not going to justify infighting, but your opinion feels partisan to me, like you cannot imagine, or reject a priori any reason anyone might give for being dissatisfied with FNTs. If FNTs principles had any sense, they would be supporting everything of value in TFM, regardless of petty disagreements.

I operate in facts, my friend. I don’t watch all the FNT channels, but I do watch enough. I don’t watch all the CG channels, but I watch the major ones. I don’t ever see anyone there taking shots at CGers. In fact, they often still praise CGers as they comics arrive in the mail. The lone moment is when Az responded to the EVS zeroes insult. And with the exception of EVS’ streams as of late, no one takes shots at FNT related channels.

I’m not being partisan or bias, I’m simply telling the facts as they fall. I have no horse in this race. I watch across the entire spectrum of those you are saying are TFM and must exist under this group and MUST work together. I won’t lie that I think EVS stepped over a line, but that doesn’t mean I stopped watching him or hate him. Do I find him less humorous these days? Sure, but that’s because his own choice of topics are not entertaining. EVS keeps beating the same jokes into the ground. I laugh more watching Jack Show or a Shane Davis late night stream than an EVS stream these days.

FNT doesn’t have to support TFM, because NO ONE IS A PART of an organization that does not exist. For years, Jeremy himself has stated he was not a part of TFM, he was not the leader. Gary has never said he was a part of TFM. Ryan has never said he was TFM. Az came into the sphere long after it became irrelevant as even a hashtag.

No one has to do ANYTHING, because we are all in charge of our own destinies. Sometimes paths cross, but TFM is just a unsubstantial thing that means nothing. What matters is that channels are fighting SJWs on all fronts, shining light on their bullshit. All we need to do is not step on each other’s feet and be dicks unnecessarily.

We are not obligated to get along, and are free to ignore each other and do what we all need to do.

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