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  • #158573

    Let us show our love for all that is Farscape.

    Once a year I watch it all the way through, and I am never disappointed.

    Farscape…making up alien curse words years before Battlestar Galactica.

    #158678

    When I first saw the pilot I dismissed the show as a “Kids version of Lexx” and paid no attention until the end of the first season when I caught a few more episodes and saw how good it really was. After that I tried to keep up with it but there were still parts I managed to miss until I found the show on Amazon Prime and watched the whole thing from start to finish, including the Peacekeeper Wars miniseries.

    #158681

    That is a perfect perception of Farscape S01. If you can make it to the final 5 episodes, you will be hooked, because Scorpius is simply one of the greatest antagonists ever created.

    #158750
    nallWhite
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      Gul Ducat is the greatest antagonist ever created.  Scorpius is a runner up.

      #158776

      Those are fighting words.

      #158893
      nallWhite
      Premium

        I haven’t watched either in years. But, stick to my statement.

        #158949

        heh heh.

        All kidding aside, here is my first round argument to refute your claim, which means I’m not going to get into episode names and exact moments for references. I’m going to generalize.

        Why Scorpius is better than Dukat:

        • When we first meet him, he’s already been defeated by Bajoran Resistance. When we meet Scorpius he is undefeated and remains so for basically the entire series.
        • Dukat is outsmarted and beaten by Cisco through out the entire run of DS9. Granted, there were 3 more seasons of DS9 to Farscape giving Dukat more to work with, but in Farscape Scorpius is always one step ahead of Crichton and pretty much always gets the better of him. Crichton only starts coming out on top towards the end, because he goes balls to the walls crazy to do so.
        • Dukat really is pure evil, especially when we get to the Pah Wraiths arc, which casts him as an ultimate evil harbinger against Cisco’s good guy emissary role. Very black and white, there. Yeah he does some gray area stuff, but he is a true dyed in the wool villain. As a character, Scorpius is far more complex because of his motivations and desires. He does unspeakable things at times to achieve his goals for what he believes is the greater good, ie. avoiding Scarran domination with a sprinkling of revenge. But when it boils down, Scorpius is not evil persay, but committed to his convictions and belief. He does what he does because he believes he has to. If people die, then so be it.
        • Dukat is mentally weak in comparison. After his daughter is killed, he loses it for a while. Scorpius’ mind is a damned fortress. In his background episode we learn all the hell he went through, but he kept his sanity, even at one point towards the end of Season 4 when fake Stark is trying to mind frell  him.
        • Scorpius is a freaking genius. Dukat is a political thug.

         

        I’ll end my first set of arguments here :)

         

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        #158970

        ignore this post…read above.

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        #159041

        k my posts are not coming through right. Here I go again to try and get this up.

         

        Why Scorpius is better than Dukat:

        The first time we meet Dukat, he had already been defeated by the Bajoran Resistance. Throughout the rest of DS9, he is constantly beaten soundly by Cisco on more than one occasion. The first time we meet Scorpius, he dominates Crichton, and the only reason Crichton destroys the gammick base is because he does something balls to the walls crazy. After that, Scorpisue owns and is always one step ahead of Crichton until the end of Season 3 where again, Crichton has to go balls to the walls crazy to break even, and that required Talon’s sacrifice. In Season 4 Crichton doesn’t so much beat Scorpius but play the game by different rules just to break even again. In DS9 there are victories for Cisco and his crew. The crew of Moya just barely survive from day to day.

         

        Dukat is a pretty black and white villain, who rarely dabbles in the gray. He’s evil and only cares about himself, not his people. That especially comes into play clearly in the Pah Wraith Arc where he is the evil emissary to Cisco’s good emissary. Scoprius is far more complex, because he is not pure evil. He’s focused and weeded to his convictions in avoiding Scarran domination…with a sprinkling of personal revenge. Scoprius does what he does because he feels he has to, and if people have to die and suffer along the way sometimes, it’s for the greater good in his view. He takes no real pleasure in being bad, unlike Dukat.

        Dukat is mentally weak, as shown when he has a break down after his daughter’s death. Scorpius, as shown in his backstory episode, is a mental fortress. Not to mention he is a frelling genius while Dukat is nothing more than a political thug. The onl real ingenius plan Dukat does is at the end when he pretends to be a Bajoran and suckers Kai Winn to try and release the Pah Wraiths, but Cisco beats him there too.

        they are both ruthless, but Dukat does it out of a need to invoke fear, while Scorpius does it to achieve his goals by his definition of efficiency, adding to y belief heis far more complex and interesting character.

        At the end of the day you love it when Scorpius is around and doing his thing. Frankly, after the fifth of sixth time Dukat shows up to do his bad guy thing, it’s boring and uninspired.

        And lest I forget….HARVEY! Harvey makes Scorpius even better, because he literally lives in Crichton’s head!

         

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        #159802

        Such a great and imaginative science fiction show, and the only one that really captured a lot of those oh so special Star Wars vibes, but with much more adult themes and storylines. So much so George Lucas was said to be such a fan he was a silent financier of The Peacekeeper Wars, and supposedly had two of its stars… Wayne Pygram (Scorpius, who also played Tarkin in RotS) and one of the actors that played Jothee …on hold for the live action Star Wars series that never happened.

        It’s a shame we never got that web-series that was announced in TV Guide years back or the theatrical movie Brian Henson kept teasing. Would be nice to revisit that universe…even though it wouldn’t be quite the same without a certain character we lost in the mini-series.

        #159874

        That was Wayne Pygram in RotS? Very cool. I never realized that. He is a great character actor.

        I am 50/50 on new Farscape. It would work for a new generation because Little D would be a grown young man, now, and it could follow him. Also, there were plenty of other stories not related to Wormholes to tell. Then again, could Brian Henson keep the woke out? I would not want it to be poisoned. So considering Peacekeeper Wars had a solid and final ending, I am satisfied for life if we never get anymore.

        #159885

        I love Farscape. I have not watched it for a while. Need to go back and binge-watch it again.

        #159983

        Yes, love Farscape. One of my favourite TV shows ever. I attended all the conventions in the UK.

        I am watching the show through again now and I am nearing the end of the last season.

        #160518
        nallWhite
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          We’ll have to agree to disagree.  I haven’t seen either show in years.  But, disagree domination of another character is a reason for me to think he is better than Ducat.

          #160522
          nallWhite
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            I refused to watch the last episode for years because then it would truly be over.  Can fans of the new Star Wars say the same????

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