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Don’t let people put you down for enjoying the game, but talking to this guy is pointless.
I fucking hate this game but that’s no reflection on people who do.
You’re the minority dude, people like well written scripts and characters.
Abby is simply none of that and is literally the incarnation of SJW crap upon us and our entertainment.
I have nothing against female bodybuilders, but this not only feels forced, it’s badly written and illogic, doesn’t do these folks any service by representing them like that.
This is what happens when those with creative control swap “sending a message” in the media they create for “preaching” in the media they create. The interpretation is mostly impossible and nuance is lost while the consumer feels talked down to and frustrated.
There were tons of ways within the game itself to slowly and steadily place the player on the path Naughtydog wanted them to, to understand their supposed message, but rather than take advantage of any of these benefits of the medium they’ve pumped out something in which they force the player to go exactly through what they want, how they want it, and still expect them to arrive to the conclusion they want at the end wothout considering how the players’ emotional investment could work.
They could’ve even split the game into scenarios/episodes in which the first one is entirely Ellie and we only learn some of what Abby’s motivations were, inevitably kill her and then the second scenario is Abby’s, allowing us to fully understand their motivations and replaying Ellie’s scenario to check if it it is possible to “break the cycle of revenge” after. However Abby’s whole point is undermined by the fact she doesn’t just KILL Joel cleanly the way he did with her father – she tortures him for as long as she can first.
It’s easy to get caught up in the whole SJW/woke politics (which is almost certainly Druckmann’s position on things). From what I gather, it seems most people were fine with the first of half of the game. But then Joel is killed off in way that is contrived, you’re forced play as an unlikable villain-protagonist throughout the second half and she doesn’t even get comeuppance for her actions. That’s what’s chiefly awful, even from an outside perspective like mine.
If perhaps you were at least given the choice to kill Abby or not at the end, that could’ve at least mitigated some of the damage. But you’re forced to play the game Druckmann the way wants you to. Maybe some people are fine with that, but clearly other players understandably feel robbed of agency.
Did you see Kojima took shots today apparently on Twitter.
Assuming all liberals are “woke” is like assuming all republicans are “racist”.
You make yourself look like a dumbass when you do it.
well hes encouraging us to stay silent an expect us to like it an thats a liberal talking.
so we should just them run wild? well taht did not work out ins eattle did it? did you knwo they found human remains in seattle by ignoring these kidn sof issues?
i bet you support the BLM greoup which is a supremist by the way.
same with LGBT community.
it didn’t puzzle what these groups were. but now i know. you all lefties are causing so much damage your all desperate for a world with no laws.
well too bad. you liberals are causing a huge problem right now. your all just going to let them get away with an become aseattle? its that what youa ll want?
you guys are part fo the reasons why your letting liberals get away with stuff far too long.
ashame to be a human, smh.
i hope you all loose your freedom.
you americans deserve it. theres going to be a day were you allowed this far too long. you guys are going to damage society as a whole.
nope. but, i heard about it. but imagine he get roasted by fanboys an SJWs.
theres going to be a day we won’t abe allwoed to hahve these kinds of sites anymore. there going to remove this oneday.
What are you even talking about?
Dummy’s reviews are honest. He’s not just about giving contrarian opinions. He’s a smart guy.
I don’t know whether you are indirectly calling me and others who have responded to you here dishonest, purposefully contrarian, and less than smart; or maybe that wasn’t your intention.
Regardless, speaking for myself, my feelings about TLoUP2 are consistent with those I’ve had for other games in the past, and I do believe my response to you above (#171060) was honest. Furthermore, my contentions with the game don’t have anything to do with SJW elements at all.
I don’t like elements in a game that exist solely to trigger emotions. In other words, I don’t like to be jerked around. Why would anyone? I avoided “A Plague Tale” because I knew that in the beginning of the game, there is a friendly dog, a named NPC technically, and it is pet-able. Then, still early in the game, the dog runs off and is killed. The dog exists, is friendly, has a name, and is pet-able, only to make the player feel loss — i.e, sad and upset. Its a cheap emotional trigger, and I hate that tactic. I strongly dislike having my emotions manipulated by video game developers, particularly to trigger negative ones (such as sadness, loss, anger, etc., ) for their own sake, having no relevance to the main story. In my response to you, I mentioned being forced to kill named dogs in TLoUP2 (if you manage to avoid all of them yourself, the game will still show you killing one in a cut scene). Killing those dogs has nothing to do with the story. For myself, that is a very consistent contention, and also honest.
I have another point of contention with the story that I described in detail in this thread, about the death of Abby’s father vs. Joel and the motivations involved.
While my personal, very specific, reasons for choosing not to play TLoUP2 might differ from the majority here, my ultimate conclusion is anything but “contrarian” on this website (contrarian means “opposing or rejecting popular opinion”); perhaps you were referring to a broader scope; however from what I’ve seen, the opinion of this game remains mixed, at best.
P.S. I watched the video by “videogamedunkey” and he said something at 4:44 that IMO is incredibly dishonest:
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The truth is I don’t know why people are mad at this game….”
(He says that immediately after describing why many people are mad at this game) … And then he continues:
“…’cause they don’t know why they’re mad.”
Oh contrare! Fans know exactly why they are mad at this game. I get it. It’s clear to me. If anyone else doesn’t know why, even after watching videos and reading posts describing the reasons, I don’t think they’ll ever understand. But to conclude that, because oneself doesn’t understand why other people are upset, means that “people who are mad don’t know why they’re mad” — now that is dishonest.
They know why. They’ve said why, over and over and over.
You just don’t understand the contentions, and that’s OK by me. I sincerely hope you enjoy the game, if you play it.
Go damage yourself you fuckin psycho.
You know the right wing extremist we get lumped in with. I think he’s one of them.
I mean, he saying America deserves to die because 1 person said they don’t hate The Last Of Us 2.
If that’s not extremism, I don’t know what is.