Matrix 4 Resurrections discussion thread

[xdax]

@comicsgate – I don’t expect it to be a piece of propaganda like The Last Jedi, but rather something outside the bounds of all traditional filmmaking, if not outside the bounds of all acceptable social discourse.  Like Shyamalan and Lady in the Water, this film is going to be used as a case study for its author for years to come.

I could also see a lot of the audience negativity coming from the fact that the sequels (and pop culture as a whole, really) solidified the concept of a Matrix brand which this movie seems to eschew, particularly with regards to the action scenes.

[xdax]

After watching it, I can see how people don’t like this movie, but it really worked for me.  Better than Revolutions, and less bad than Reloaded, but also doesn’t hit its highs.  Definitely the worst action of the franchise, though.

[comicsgate]

@xdax You have more to say about it, I’m sure and your interest in it exceeds mine. I appreciate your comments. Make me more curious.

Roas with a video. He’s almost at 1000 subscribers. So cool to see a small channel grow. He has a seat at the table for some of you out there who want to go online.

Matrix Resurrections Writers Want To “Reclaim Red Pill” Trope! They Only Care About Their Agenda!
The Renaissance Nerd
I’ve already said it once this week, so I’ll say it again. Left Wing SJW Woke Progressives don’t care about telling good stories, or stories at all. All they care about is injecting their agenda into EVERYTHING!

[xdax]

@comicsgate – Without spoilers, one could argue that the movie is woke unto the second generation, parodying identity politics in modern blockbusters in some places.  A reading of the plot summary might rub some people the wrong way, but certain events don’t come out of nowhere in the actual film (and are a far better tale than the one from The Matrix Online – seriously, after viewing this, read up on the “Biological Interface Program”).

[comicsgate]

https://matrixonline.fandom.com/wiki/Biological_Interface_Program

When you mention things, I read up on them. You have a ton of good references. I’m into sci-fi and think there should be more out there. There is so much that can be done with Meta stories.

The Biological Interface program was a remnant of the redpill operative Trinity, who was Neo’s love and the assistant of Morpheus

Despite having “died” during the course of the third film, Trinity made a return to the series in the official continuation, The Matrix Online. Taking on a major role in the game’s final chapters it was revealed both she and Neo were actually the culmination of decades of Machine research into translating human DNA perfectly into Machine code, allowing them to interface directly with technology without the need for simulated interfaces.

Originally developed by the Oracle, this program was called The Biological Interface Program and was strongly sought after by the Oligarchy as a means to transfer their digital minds to physical bodies instead of the mechanical androids they had developed.

Without a physical form (the Machines recovered her program from her dying body) Trinity takes the appearance of a floating figure made of golden code within The Matrix. Initially distraught with her condition (confusion, anger and sadness being the prominent emotions expressed during her awakening after being freed from the Oligarch Network), she eventually finds solace in the fact her existence is the key to finally rebooting the Matrix and erasing Oligarch override control once and for all.

She ultimately meets her end in the Source of The Matrix, merging with a human inside the core of the Machine code base itself, combining the three core groups; Man, Machine and Program. This initializes the final reboot sequence, removing the Oligarch control and allowing the Machines to finally exist without fear of cruel masters. Although it is unclear from the outlines Ben Chamberlain released prior to the game’s closure, this conclusion likely sees the creation of a new truce between Zion and The Machines and is the basis for the new Matrix created around the concept of human thought control.

[xdax]

General audiences really seem to dislike this one, probably due to the lack of Joel Silver as producer and Yuen Wo-Ping’s fight choreography.  Given the clearly reduced budget, the R rating, and the dual release, WB might consider a lower box office acceptable.

[DarthVengeant]

From the first few minutes I felt like something was missing. The “polish”. Some scenes like the chamber of Neo and Trinity just felt like a sci-fi painting, not even CG. Some of the CGI for the robots was off, not lighted the same as the surroundings. Even the color grading was wrong. This all just seemed….off….to me. Was the budget small or something?

The story was a bit of a mess. I felt like I was watching The Force Awakens all over again. A rehash of A New Hope. This, was a rehash of the first Matrix with spattering’s from the other two. Everything seemed….pointless. Like the movie was made, as the joke in the movie says, because Warner Bros forced them to.

Though, I will admit, Jessica Henwick did a decent job despite the movie’s utter failings. The rest to me was a bit of a mess and pointless. The luster is gone from the previous 3 movies, it’s just not there in this movie. and someone forgot to hire a good CGI team.

The “take your hands off me” scene and obvious feminism pandering stuff was a turn off as well. Just so tired of it in everything now days.

[comicsgate]

VR is taking off. Holograms and Augmented reality are coming out. Legatus just started a thread about Web 3.0. This franchise had a chance to truly relaunch and ingrain itself in the new web and new internet that is coming. Robots and Drones are becoming normal. There is blockchain, crypto, 5g, all this new tech and did the movie they made address any of these questions in a forward thinking manner? You have upcoming the Internet of Things, the Internet of Senses, the Internet of Bodies, etc. Did this movie get out of it’s own box? I heard it spent a lot of time looking in the rearview to call-backs 20 years ago instead of looking ahead.

You got Neuralink out there.
DARPA robots
Boston Dynamics
Missed Opportunities?

[DocPhibes]

I felt so cheap and poorly executed. The editing, the photography, the music score, the action scenes… it all feels uninspired and lazy. It’s not the worst thing I’ve seen this year by any measure, but it’s all so hollow and pointless.   They needed more time to flesh out the story and more time to storyboard the action set-pieces. There is a spattering of some interesting ideas in the first 45 minutes or so, but then everything kind of stalls out when it’s supposed to be kicking into gear.   My feeling is you really only need the first film. They rest of them are kind of dull.

[comicsgate]

You are sharp so will understand why I am frustrated as in the year of the metaverse, Matrix should have been the best movie and it was the worst instead. Reclaim the red pill? No, the movie was a blue pill and really, a black pill. Jeremy has been bashing it. Good. His last 4 videos. Ha. It should have been movie of the year. They should have licensed the rights to someone with vision and purpose for the story. Black Pilled (Devon Stack) is more interesting that this.

I find it far more enjoyable to read articles by Joe Allen, Cyrus Parsa, or Jay Dyer than to watch Matrix sequels.

Spider-Man: No Way Home & Matrix Resurrections Chaos Magick: Meta – Multiverse of Madness
Jay Dyer
Metamulti propaganda is now the rage! As we covered in 2018 -2019, the simulation theory is aligning with the met averse who is making out with the other bff, multiverse theory. Multi meta everything is prepping us for the acceptance of new notions of what “reality” is, leading to the actual matrix pod. I’ve covered the original Matrix films in the past, so I may reference them, but I will be referring to the Andrew Garfield Spider Man

Gary Nerdrotic said that his comments sections had better writers than Hollywood. Since that time, I have lived in the comments sections to actually look for interesting takes since the media will not provide them.

think the real reason they made this is because the original films are so closely related to reality. The red pills, the matrix being the world that been pulled over your eyes, a prison that you can’t see or touch or smell, a prison for your mind. It’s a perfect representation of the world we live in, and they don’t like how we use red pills to wake people up. This movie was made to put people back to sleep.

What Resurrections should have been to move the plot forward: We should have learned that the real world was just another layer of the Matrix, because otherwise, Neo should not have been able to use mind control to explode the sentinels in the real world….. so, if Neo then “died” in the “real world” in the 3rd movie, then maybe he didn’t really die and was just put back to sleep…. this film could have actually been something good….. what a waste….. then maybe in a 5th movie, Neo could have actually destroyed the Matrix and freed everyone like he originally planned to, bringing the series into full circle.

This movie is the definition of cash grab nostalgia I am so sad Keanu used his fame to make this movie woke I am disgusted how things changed especially with the new general and how even though he remembered who he was he didn’t even use an ounce of his power I amd disgusted that with so much technology we got today and so little we had in the past the old trilogy had more action and more story than this sad fourth installment I wish I really wish he just used his power like he should have and making trinity have power aswell is not bad but why is it that she can use the power better than neo the one it’s just disgusting

They have done it with every good franchise that I have grown up with and its only going to get worse. They’re going to do it to The Predator soon with a film called Prey and Alien with the new TV series that they are making.
Seriously why can’t they just leave things alone or make their own movies about agendas rather than take already established properties and ruin them. I think its because they know their movies won’t sell and have to get a franchise that is already well known by fans, so it draws them in and then they polish the trailers up to make it look like they haven’t tampered with the franchise in order to make bank.
They done it with The Terminator with Dark Fate, with Chucky and its awful TV series and they just managed to ruin the Matrix with Ressurections. Hear me when I tell you that this is just the beginning and Scream is also a target of this. People see one trailer and think owe, that is pretty decent , but don’t know a thing about marketing.. so then they go to see it just to be disappointed. Its bate and switch all over, inwhich people need to understand they make a trailer to look pretty in order to trick you for sales. Marketing 101. I speak truth, but i get an awful lot of hate for it because people don’t like the truth and rather sit in a hazy never ever land of stupidity.

The Matrix films are almost a perfect case study into the mind of a person with a mental disorder. By Matrix 4 you can see how incoherent and confused the director has become in the past 22 years because its apparent the director isn’t even capable of capturing a semblance of her mindset in which she helped make the original Matrix 22 years ago. It’s also obvious that she also had no desire too revisit this franchise because she actually tells us in the dialog that WB’s basically forced her to make this movie. Then she just echoes that sentiment as she insults the audiences intelligence as she slowly runs this franchise into the ground. This is also 2.5 hours long, but doesn’t use any of that length of time to develop anything, so its as if she drags it out because she had too blow the remaining portion of the 150 million dollar budget. It’s as if it was written and shot all in the same day while only using the first take of every scene. I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen a big budget director care so little about the quality of their work, but that just displays how entitled of a society we have become. This was a complete insult to the intelligence of the audience and a slap in the face to all the Matrix fans from yesteryear. Why WB even released this garbage just goes too show you how desperate and greedy they have become.

[Omegasentry]

My was so hesitant and waited. Then my brother that saw it was all you are gonna hate it. Thus I didn’t go to the theater since it was on HBO max and it was that or watch paint dry.

[Reviewer]

Bottom line.  This movie was pure garbage.  For the first half of the movie, I thought I was watching a low rent parody.  Yet again, Hollywood is destroying all the good movie franchise for the woke agenda.

The new characters are all garbage too.  Morpheus should just be renamed Finn.  Bugs, with her heavy accent, was just annoying.  Morpheus talking ghetto was stupid as well.  Morpheus was nothing like the old Morpheus.  Hell, he was so annoying, I would have never left the Matrix just to avoid listening to him and his nonsense.  My God.  Then, the fight sequences were boring as hell.   Boring.

What were they thinking?  If person liked this movie, he or she has to be a woke fool that will like any woke garbage movie that Hollywood makes.

[xdax]

I’m aware of only five other people who enjoyed this one.  It’s honestly baffling to me what in this film could be generating such adverse reactions from the audience.  King of the Monsters all over again.

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[DocPhibes]

Morpheus was nothing like the old Morpheus. Hell, he was so annoying, I would have never left the Matrix just to avoid listening to him and his nonsense.

That actor is fucking terrible. I couldn’t pinpoint him at first, but looking through Imdb I see he was in the awful Candyman movie that came out this year. He has no charisma or acting chops at all, and is a highly annoying personality. Granted it’s tough to find someone else as effortlessly cool as Laurence  Fishburne, but this guy just flat out sucks.

[xdax]

I don’t think this film cost anywhere near its reported $150 million budget:

-Beyond Keanu (who probably signed on with options for 5 and 6), this movie doesn’t really have any actors of significant cost to production.

-San Francisco probably gave out a huge tax credit after its mayor made a cameo as a redpill.

-The design of the Mnemosyne is a kitbash of the Nebuchadnezzar (and possibly the exploding larvae that the Sentinels throw in the sequels).

-Lumin8 (the small machine on the Mnemosyne) is a literal reskin of Pickett from Fantastic Beasts and probably uses the same rigging.  A few more of the machines might be reused Harry Potter assets as well.

If I had to guess, I’d say the budget was more in the neighborhood of $90 million.

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