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    Vknid
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      @comicsgate

      Two things can be true at once.  We can speak to a previous time as being good without saying everything at that time was better.  No point in time is perfect or 100% good.  I would like the 50’s to return to the US but when I say that I mean the good parts and not all of it.  Although I am sure the first thing that pops into someone’s mind is.  OMG, you want racism back?  No, I want the general good times and economic freedom/success back.  The irony there is even with those racist restrictions in place, black folks (as a whole) did far better than now.  The welfare state and preference has destroyed those communities.  I think if the welfare state did not happen black folks would be doing as well as anyone else right now and we would not be talking about racism 24×7 because there would not be a divide.

      But to that picture.  If it’s a real picture (as in it reflects actual life at the time) it does not matter who took it or why.  If Hitler painted a beautiful picture, it’s still a beautiful picture, just one painted by an evil man.

      The people engineering the world right now want 2 things.  Dramatically less people and no borders for a 1 world government.  Hence the division, war, strife, closing farms, pushing no value on life (abortion and such) and so on.  And this to me seems Biblical.

      This is Matthew 24.

      “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, ”

      Now, everyone likes to claim the end times are now. That could be, seems like it.  But if we will take one part of this teaching as fact then we must take all of it and it also says this.

      “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. ”

      These passages don’t tell us when the end starts and it’s far away.  It tells us when we see these things, it’s about to happen.

       

       

      #313936

      @comicsgate

      You are the one who brought up jews and gas chambers

      of course I did because gas chambers was a thing in 1940. If your point was to prove that Paris in 1940 was a better and happier time to live, which I disagree with, I will counter that statement by mentioning why living in 1940 sucked, using gas chambers as an example.

      Your proposal of why France today is terrible is because of immigrants and most likely the violence conducted by them. The worst terrorist attack in modern France was the 2015 Paris attack, which is considered the 9/11 of France, being the most horrendous event where 130 people died. My rebuttal to that is that you can take every murder or attack by immigrants added together in the whole 2000’s, and it won’t come anywhere near the 70 000+ killed during the French holocaust.

      It’s the second half that you ran away from. It shows the invader takeover of cities in France.

      You could have 538 attacks with the death count of the November 2015 attacks for it to match up with the genocide in 1940. And even if those 538 attacks were to happen now, Paris today does not have curfews regulated by nazis or the amount of food allowed being monitored by the nazis. Romanticizing that time period because of one picture is just foolishness.

       

      same goes for your example of London. You criticize modern London because of the immigration and the stabbings. In 2023 there were 67 stabbings and 103 homicides in total in London (not all being by immigrants). That is terrible. Now compare it with 1940 and the 40 000 people bombed to death and millions of homes destroyed.

      Summarized, the reason I bring up the gas chambers, oppression from nazis and the London bombing is not unrelated tangent, they are examples of why living in Paris and London in 1940 was absolute hell compared to today, providing support to my counter argument why 1940 sucked.

      I expect you to refute my counter and express why you think I am wrong, for example why the French holocaust and London bombings were not that bad or something. But instead you jump to Zelensky, globalism, Spanish inquisition, Michael Moore etc. How are they connected to the argument?

      #313937

      @Vknid

      No point in time is perfect or 100% good.  I would like the 50’s to return to the US but when I say that I mean the good parts and not all of it.

      Of course not, and my argument is not that 2024 is the greatest time to be alive. My argument is simply that no matter how angry ”wokeness” or the word nibling makes you, living in 2024 is more stable and provides a better quality of life than living during WW2 under the occupation of nazi Germany.

      But to that picture.  If it’s a real picture (as in it reflects actual life at the time) it does not matter who took it or why.  If Hitler painted a beautiful picture, it’s still a beautiful picture, just one painted by an evil man.

      But one picture can give a very false impression of life from that time. It absolutely does matter why someone took it. It would be a deeply unserious argument if I countered @comicsgate ’s accusation of Paris being shit today by googling ”happy French people 2024” and laying it out as evidence that it is sunshine and rainbows. With this method, I could take literally anything tragic and show a positive picture, claiming ”the picture is real”.

      That’s textbook propaganda, altering or hiding details in order to make something look different, for example in a more positive light.

       

      Example:

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      ”Look how happy the children were in 1940, they got to go on a little summer camp abroad without them or their family even having to pay for the trip! It was paid by the German state. They got to hang out with other children from different countries around Europe, and they had a lot of things in common, for example being Jewish. Of course they didn’t go on the trip alone, their whole family got on the same trip to this camp.”

      All of this above is true, there is not a single lie. The picture is real, the child is smiling. But what is purposefully left out is the fact that Istvan Reiner, the four year old boy in the picture, got gassed to death in Auschwitz shortly after the picture is taken.

       

      I hope you understand my point that yes, the pictures are real, but the point of propaganda like this is to make something miserable look charming.

       

      #313955

      English, French, Germans, Swedes had something to call their own back then, despite the wars.
      Not like this woke era of the covering up of crimes of protected groups. Certainly not this woke era of being groomer enablers.
      Appreciate the gospel above. I read that stuff. Not having a replacement birthrate and being invaded by foreigners and losing countries is not quality of life. Having Zelensky and Bibi looting our countries while youth can’t afford homes and birthrates is not quality of life.

      #313976

      English, French, Germans, Swedes had something to call their own back then, despite the wars.

      Except for the dead ones. Also, on what standard could French people call France their own in 1940 more than today? Because there were less brown people? Kinda ironic statement when France was literally under the boot of Germany, which controlled how everything was handled.

      Having Zelensky and Bibi looting our countries while youth can’t afford homes and birthrates is not quality of life.

      that’s cute, but quality of life has risen on pretty much all objective standards since 1940.

      Are you even going to try to make an argument?

      #313980

      Finland says refugees are a net positive but never say how many they took in? Millions? If not, then it’s not a serious comment.

      By what objective standards? Test scores? Marriage rates? Birth rates? Addiction rates? Purchasing power?

      By what metric has quality of life improved in the west over globalist occupation? Income? Overhead expenses? Graduation rates? Literacy rates?

      By what analytic has quality of life improved under False Democracy? Birth rates? Marriage rates? Sobriety? Homelessness? Home ownership?

      If quality is life is so high, why are truckers and farmers protesting?

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      #313981

      It is time for Israel to take in millions of invaders and refugees.
      Israel needs to take in refugees to be a light unto the nations.
      Unless Israel takes in at least 30 million refugees, the preachy comments from HIAS and Spectre and Shapiro are no longer worth listening to.

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      #314040

      @comicsgate I take your inability to defend your arguments and answer to my questions about the topic as a sign of giving up on that argument, it’s a really unproductive conversation.

      Finland says refugees are a net positive but never say how many they took in? Millions? If not, then it’s not a serious comment.

      who makes the decision when it is a serious comment or not? Also, shouldn’t the number be proportionate? In a country with 5 million people you can’t expect them to take in “millions” in the same way a country with 50 million people can.  But again, how is this related and why are you not defending your position of France having their own identity in 1940 vs now? Don’t run away!

      By what objective standards?

      life expectancy is increased, unemployment and GDP per capita are higher today (even though the unemployment rates go down during time of war when more hands are needed on deck), less educated people in 1940 and also in terms of safety, security and freedom, living in the bloodiest war ever did not really benefit that situation with 80 million people dying from direct consequences of war or from the famine and diseases caused by the poor hygiene, and 20 million losing their homes. Not to mention the post war problems like food and fuel shortage and massive costs of rebuilding the critically damaged infrastructure in may places.

      By what analytic has quality of life improved under False Democracy?

      I am not sure what you mean by false democracy, but I gave examples of how quality of life in general has improved from 1940 vs now.

      By what metric has quality of life improved in the west over globalist occupation? Income? Overhead expenses? Graduation rates? Literacy rates?

      You can take a peek at post Russian Empire/Soviet Union countries and measure their globalization index with their quality of life. You might find a pattern that countries with high globalization index like Finland, Estonia, Latvia etc all happen to have high quality of life, and the increase coincidentally started after their increase in globalization index. Then compare it with countries with lower globalization index like Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan, and you can notice that they have a significantly lower quality of life.

       

      I am still waiting for your response regarding my comment on French occupation and the London bombings. If you again fail to answer then I consider you withdrawing those statements, I have no intention to participate in your gish galloping and misdirections.

       

      #314042

      Dr. Shiva’s main point these days is that yes, life expectancy went up, but now, it is going down again, for a number of reasons. So, what the life expectancy was, is in decline.

      The point about France in the 40s was demographics. Demographic representation. It was that from the very beginning. You are preparing to run away again. You already ran to Vkind, earlier, to stand beneath the shadow of a Moderator.

      Security and Freedom? With open borders? With Hate speech laws and censorship? In London, stabbings are common, English are demographically being wiped out, and a white man goes to jail for NOT breaking any law. So, while the vampire squid media vilifies white men, if a white man counters the propaganda, he goes to prison without any charges, and you call that freedom and quality of life.

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      #314045

      geekbetrayal

      #314075
      Vknid
      Moderator

        Of course not, and my argument is not that 2024 is the greatest time to be alive. My argument is simply that no matter how angry ”wokeness” or the word nibling makes you, living in 2024 is more stable and provides a better quality of life than living during WW2 under the occupation of nazi Germany.

        Greatest time to be alive is going to be very much based on perception such that I do not think it’s worth talking about.  Maybe in parts of the west it’s good.  Not so for many other places.  I am sure Ukraine does not care for 2024 and I doubt the Israelis or Palestinians are fond of 2024 either. I bet Iran prefers the 70’s very much to 2024.

        I am not sure how you define quality of life.  And this is something I have put thought into recently.  I don’t think quality of life is based very much on longevity or the amount of things you have. If that is how we define quality of life then yes 2024 is great in the west.  I think people had far more meaningful live decades ago and this is why so many are miserable today.  They have stuff, but no meaning to their lives and they are upset and sad as they don’t know how to obtain it because all the lies of society are not working for them.  This leads to hopelessness.

        But one picture can give a very false impression of life from that time. It absolutely does matter why someone took it. It would be a deeply unserious argument if I countered @comicsgate ’s accusation of Paris being shit today by googling ”happy French people 2024” and laying it out as evidence that it is sunshine and rainbows. With this method, I could take literally anything tragic and show a positive picture, claiming ”the picture is real”.

        That’s textbook propaganda, altering or hiding details in order to make something look different, for example in a more positive light.

         

        One picture of anything can give a person a false idea.  This is because as humans we make assumptions as we are intelligent beings we ponder beyond just what we see.  We see one puzzle piece and try to construct the whole puzzle around it for understanding. But this does not mean it is propaganda.   I agree it is proper thought practice to question such a thing.  But that cuts both ways.  Don’t assume it’s true, but don’t assume it’s untrue.

        Also “wokeness” does not anger me.  It concerns me because it’s an agenda religion that people whom are searching for something latch onto and find false meaning in because the establishment gives them preference and protection.  That preference and protection is extended but it’s an exchange for allegiance. But that allegiance will destroy you and when they are done with you they cast you aside and then all you have left is a country you helped destroy.  The urban black communities for decades have made this exchange and they have been decimated.  You end up exchanging preference/priority for shackles.

        #314079

         

        geekunelected

        #314081
        Vknid
        Moderator

          @comicsgate

          You seem very focused on groups based on religion and race.  That’s the same Marxist behavior you would probably complain about the radical left engages in.  So you agree with the practice you just prefer different groups?

          Zoom out.  They want you to focus on the puppets so you never find the strings.

          #314087

          The key word above is “unelected.”

          If anyone wishes to start identifying Marxists, please do so, but prepared to be called “antisemitic” by people who cover for the puppeteer string pullers.

          If it was not there, I would not focus on it.

          #314088
          Vknid
          Moderator

            The key word above is “unelected.”

            If anyone wishes to start identifying Marxists, please do so, but prepared to be called “antisemitic” by people who cover for the puppeteer string pullers.

            If it was not there, I would not focus on it.

            Unelected is different than selected but it still means someone chose a person.  In the case above I am sure someone on high selected that man and precisely because he was Muslim. Is it because the selector like Muslims? No, most likely because just as some groups are used to harm the US so are some groups used to harm the UK.

            These groups are used because they are a minority and are given preference and privilege by the government in exchange for allegiance. They are used as a tool of division because they can be defended with “racist”, “sexist” or “phobic”.  This is intentional and planned and why those groups are selected.  But they too will be enslaved under tyranny with everyone else when the times comes.

            Your puppeteers ARE NOT Jews. They appear to be mostly Eastern European.  I am sure there might be a Jew or 2 in there but trust me it’s incidental. Klaus Schwab is German.

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