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  • #162175

    A month?  I did 10-14 in less than two weeks when Memory of Light finally came out. That was a good two weeks.

    #162186

    I feel the need to share, since this is such a good conversation about WoT. I got this in 1998 during the Path of Daggers tour.

     

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    Shook the man’s hand and everything. It was great.

     

    #163511

    Based on the casting choices we already know that the show is going to be pure ass.

    Have you ever seen who Jordan himself thought of when he looked at his characters? Utterly unacceptable in WokeWorld2020, and completely different form the Burger King Kid’s Club we’re getting. Source.

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    #163522

    Liam Neeson kicking ass as Lan….that would have been something to see.

    Some of those others, though, man…totally not how I picture them in the books. Sophia Loren is one of the most beautiful women ever, but Aviendha? I don’t see it.

    #171071

    uuuuuuhhhhhhhh wut? they chose an 85 year old actress for a 18 – 20 year old character?

     

    #171077

    Nah. Apparently that was a wish list Jordan put together decades ago of who he thought, in their prime’s, could have played his characters in live action. As the creator one would think he would have the best insight, but a lot of actors on that list just do not make sense if you ask me.

    #172596

    There are a few things that give me hope for the show – the main one being that the showrunner, Rafe Judkins, is actually a huge WoT fan. He’s actually read the source material, and understands it. He’s been doing Q&As on the show that you can find with a quick google search, and he seems to know his stuff.

    Jordan’s widow/editor also consults on the show, reads all the scripts, and has been on set.

    Brandon Sanderson is consulting too.

    Its also not hard to bill Moiraine as the Season 1 lead, especially to get a show greenlit in woke Hollywood. In the beginning, she’s an extremely important character – moreso even than Rand, Mat, and Perrin. She’s the one responsible for saving the village, she brings the boys out of The Two Rivers, and is the one pretty much explaining the world to them (and us) up until the point that they separate in Shadar Logoth. I think that as time moves on, especially after the character’s separation in book one, the show will pivot to be more about the three boys, as well as Egwene, Nyneave, and Elaine.

    I see a lot of complaining about the cast in this thread so I’ll throw in my thoughts as well.

    I was put off by a lot of the casting when it was first announced, for the same reasons that were listed here. I hate identity politics as much as the next guy – perhaps moreso. Buuut, in this case, the races of the characters aren’t something I’ll get hung up on until they make it a big deal in the show. Its a bit strange that such a small place like the Two Rivers would have such a diverse population, but I can set that aside for the time being. If they get to the borderlands for example, and it is the same way, despite being heavily portayed as a more Asian culture, I’ll have some things to say. But until then, I don’t see the benefit in jumping to conclusions about the show based solely on the race of the actors cast. Its not like Fant4stic where they cast a brother and sister as different races. The race of those cast doesn’t necessitate a change within the overall story.

    I hold out hope.

    Also, its been confirmed that S1 will be books one and two.

    #172604

    Books 1 and 2, you say. Well, that’s a lot of ground to cover in 10-12 episodes, which is what we generally get in streaming shows these days. I mean, granted, Jordan ran on and on at slow paces at times, but there are a lot of events that will need attention to maintain the proper narrative of the entire saga. Bits and pieces of key places and moments with payoffs later in the series. I simply do not trust anyone these days.

     

    I mean, remember the Sword of Truth adaptation? They screwed that one up in the first episode. I bowed out after that, because one stupid mistake they made ruined any proper conclusion concern the boxes of Orden. Goodkind was and is still alive, so even when an author is alive things can get screwed up.

     

    But,  you can be the voice of hope. Somebody has to be. I plan to be cynical until proven wrong. I’m hoping to have my YouTube channel going by then, so I’ll definitely cover WoT good or bad. Considering the clown world we currently live in, I don’t have alot of hope.

    #173059

    When you think about it though – Jackson’s LOTR films fit each of Tolkien’s books into a 3 hour movie, and Jordan’s style is very reminiscent of Tolkien. Lots of the word count comes down to descriptions and detail. Things you see, but don’t actually take time on screen. So 5 hours per book, at least in the beginning, should be doable. I’d question combining books 3 and 4, because a lot happens in there that is really interesting.

    They’ve released episode titles for the first five, and people have been theorizing as to what happens in each episode. Here’s my thoughts.

    1 – Leavetaking: Everything leading up to fleeing the two rivers.

    2 – Shadow’s Waiting: Shadar Logoth and the split up.

    3 –  A Place of Safety: Matt and Rand get to Caemlyn, Perrin and Egwene meet the Tuatha’an

    4 – The Dragon Reborn: Rand sees Logain in his cage, meets Elayne, the group leaves Caemlyn

    5 – Blood Calls Blood: End of Book 1 – travel to the borderlands, and to the Eye of the World.

    6 – The Flame of Tar Valon: Beginning of Book 2 when the Amyrlin comes to Shienar.

    As far as The Sword of Truth, Goodkind’s fantasy was always extremely derivative. He’s not on the same level as Jordan or Sanderson. It never surprised me that that show ended up the way it did.

    That said, history is full of fantasy adaptations that blew. Eragon, Shannara, The Dark Tower, etc.

    I’ll definitely be reviewing the show on my YouTube channel too. And I’ll bash it hard if I think it’s bad. But for now, I’m still hyped that one of my favorite fantasy series is at least getting a chance.

    #173140
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      Another huge question that I have about the show has always been “How do you implement channeling?” I think visually, it is a simple matter of perspective if two women are channeling against each other or two men. They can see each other weaves. But how do you get the perspective of a man that is channeling against a women? Or that people without the ability to channel can’t see whats going on. I guess they could have someone standing there looking at two people who are intently staring at each other and shit flying.

      I know CGI has come a long way, but I feel that it is a difficult concept for people who never read the books. Understanding channeling is going to be much more than an explanation from Moraine. Everyone has a different view of how it works. The sounds, the visuals, the actions, are different in everyone’s head. If we took 20 people from the fandom and asked them to explain it, we would get multiple different ways. Strings, Cables, Silk cloth, Rainbow colors weaving through a holy sky beam…

      My point, it is a difficult concept to implement. Not to mention that each person has a different trick to make channeling work. Gauging the strength by the glowing aura so we know who is a witch. There are a bunch of different ways to bring this to the screen, and I’m curious as to which way they will bring weaving to life.

      #173151

      In her prime… Hell yea. Sophia Loren 60 years ago was one of the most beautiful women on the planet.

      I wonder if he was using this list you mention when making the characters descriptions?

      #173300

      Definitely a tough thing to show. I almost think you show everything, and have dialogue fill in the fact that characters can’t see it.

      The showrunner has mentioned the channeling and how it is looking thus-far in a Q&A he did.

      Q: How are you planning to handle the visualization of the weaves? Any little tidbits?

      A: We are trying to stay as true to the books as possible. I’ve been giving a bunch of VFX folks long diatribes about channeling, weaves, threads, earth vs. air, etc and the early stuff has started coming in. It looks FUCKING AWESOME. I screamed when Rosamund started channeling.

      Like I’ve said above. The showrunner is a huge fan of the series from the get-go, which gives me a lot of hope and optimism going into it. It does allow for bigger let-downs when it turns out to be garbage, but we’ll see!

      #174298

      I made it half way through book 6 “The Lords of Chaos”. The characters seemed to not grow and I especially got tired of Nynaeve’s interactions with other characters like she was still the Three River’s wisdom.

      Is this thing worth getting through the middle books?

      #174300

      7-9 are good, 9 especially. Brilliant ending.

      10 is terrible.

      11-14 are good when you read them all back to back. The ending is satisfying.

      #179064

      If I start back up to finish it, when should I read the prequel book?  I don’t want to ruin anything in the story.

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