UN Seeks to Decriminalize Child Sex, Sex Work, and Abortion

@Wisdom

That post to Audie was really good.  You highlighted the differences of opinion well and did not play sides or attack anyone in doing so.  You laid the matter bare for all to see.

I will say this though from a very general perspective.  You seem very interested in trying to find the right answer or solution from a legal standpoint.  I think most of us think in those terms.  Whenever something happens or we think about an issue our first thought is to consider what laws could be made to solve that.

Well the thing is, you cannot legislate morality.  Laws do not generally prevent people from doing things they are simply are a list of consequences for an act.  And increasingly we can see that they these are not working.  There are many reasons for that of course including not enforcing the consequences which DOES lead to encouraging negative behavior.

But at the end of the day we cannot exist on legality alone.  There must be a common and shared morality.  Sure, that leads into a discussion of whom gets to decide that and in my mind only God does.    But regardless of what your answer is for that a people cannot live by laws alone there has to be a binding morality and common sense of decency.

> Whenever the left pushes for something sexual, then by very definition it will be in service of promoting pedophilia. That’s their ultimate goal. But it doesn’t mean the right should just go for a blanket opposition, like it did with gay marriage. Because that is always going to lead to a political loss, meaning the left will ultimately get its goal of legalizing sex with children.

Opposition to pedophilia is not a “right-wing position”, nor is it even political; it’s a primal, ancient instinct. Nature selected parents who are willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their children, and while that instinct may be latent, it’s still there. By attempting to normalize pedophilia (including by casting it as a political question), the Left is awakening a force of nature it really should have left alone.

As such, I believe the Left has already lost. The cultural momentum is against them, and Nature itself is against them. The only question in my mind is how much politics itself will change as the process unfolds. (And I don’t see the Right leading the cultural charge against the Left; they will simply be caught up in the current.)

I see the destruction of the Left coming from decentralized decision-making: millions of people independently coming to the same conclusions, without a central influencer, decision-maker, or political figure (or party) to herd them. That’s where “Go Woke, Go Broke” comes from, and the right-wing political structure is superfluous to this process.

The Left has become used to changing the definitions and identities of things, but in this matter, they are directly contradicting Nature itself and the instincts Nature has installed into the human race, and I suspect those instincts will prove immovable and unchangeable in the majority of the population. The lever the Left is using to attempt to destroy Nature’s instincts will instead transfer the destructive energy back to themselves.

Regardless of how the Right handles this, I don’t see the Left surviving as a viable political culture. (I think the question is more whether the Right will survive, or how much it will change, not by political design, but by the decentralized process described above.)

“Legality aside, what’s your opinion on an optimal age of consent or even definition of consent?”

I do not think there is a global answer to that for the whole world.  All we can do there is make sure in our nation that lines are indeed drawn and they are drawn for the right reasons so as to protect children.  And of course those lines in the sand must be enforced.

Since all people are different obviously there is no single age where every person can be considered an adult to give “consent” or be allowed to do anything else an adult can.  But again, we draw a line the best we can and then we must hold to that line because bad people with bad intentions will try to erase or soften the line.

Am I saying a 19yr old should be jailed for having relations with a 17yr year old?  No.  But our justice system should be able to be counted on to act appropriately between that case and a 30yr old person convincing a 13yr old to have sex.

I am perfectly fine with the line being 18-21 for all adult activities and having the thought process in place that prior to that age you cannot give consent.  Does that solve all issues and problems?  Of course not but all we can do is the best we can.

If we are speaking morality.  There again there is no perfect answer.  But what is moral is to have a line drawn and to hold to it.

Also, we need to hold to that line regardless of whether the offender is a woman or not.  I have read about case after case of women getting a slap on the wrist for what a man would be in jail 20yrs for.  That is wrong and should not be tolerated.

“18-21? Wow. I would probably choose 14 like Germany and Portugal, mainly because genetically it’s better if women are younger when they have children. ”

That’s the entirely wrong reason to pick such a requirement.   You make that line in the sand to protect children and not for any other reason.

” I’m against women pursuing careers. They end up 35-40 until they “have time” for children”

I am not against it and I think women should have that freedom. However, they should not be lied to like they have been for decades and told that they will find happiness working a 9-5 and not having children until later or at all.  This is a harmful lie meant to assist in depopulating the world.  It also in my mind tries to take away the actual power women have.  They can carry a child and have many natural gifts to that end that men just do not posses as a whole.  This goes back to my post on tradition.  There are very good reasons the man typically provides while the lady stays and cares for the children.  It’s not patriarchy or oppression it is because each sex is better at those things on the average.  The idea that humans have evolved a certain way successfully (and against all odds) but NOW we got it all figured out and everything from before is wrong.  That is an insane thought process to me.

“I liked the old model with the man as breadwinner and women raising children, but admittedly, that left women in a precarious position”

There is risk in everything in life.  This is why whenever someone chooses to procreate a partner should be VERY carefully chosen.  Today people do the exact opposite and look what has happened.  Is that better than before where there were occasional failures vs. now where entire sections of the population have 1 caring parent if they are lucky?  There will never be a perfect answer to such things or a 1 size fits all solution.  But clearly what we were doing before was far more successful than now.

If we combined women having the freedom of a career if they wish while also very much placing actual importance on family and parenthood I think that would be a good solution.