Who’s responsible for a mass shooting? The shooter or the parents?

And here I thought they were telling us your kids are THEIRS.

If a child spends more time in the indoctrination system (I mean education system) than at home with a parent, does that mean the schools/teachers are also and more so responsible to the actions of one of their students?

I think we need to go after those people, groomers, indoctrinators, etc.

If a child spends more time in the indoctrination system (I mean education system) than at home with a parent, does that mean the schools/teachers are also and more so responsible to the actions of one of their students?

I think we need to go after those people, groomers, indoctrinators, etc.

Well said.  But that too is the parents fault in my mind.  That’s actually one of the core issues here.  The chosen tool of death means nothing.  It’s the fact that someone was willing to harm others that needs to be addressed as this is a rampant issue.  Whether they use a gun or a claw hammer makes no difference.

First off, committing murder or mass murder is not a sure sign of mental illness.  This is important because that all normally gets played off as this person is sick and just needs help.  This takes focus away from a root cause of many things, the moral decay and the lack of value on human life.  Combine that with hopelessness and you have people that will end others and not care at all.  It either all means something, or it all means nothing.  If you fall within the latter then what is barring people from harming others?  Nihilism is rampant.

We need to look at things like this and not just think, what decision do me make here.  But we need to think what are the logical conclusions of things we decide here.

Where are we going here?  Why is a 15 year old not autonomous when he does something horrible but if he wants to lop off his junk and the parents don’t let him he needs to be removed from the parents because he is autonomous?

It seems we are choosing when it is politically convenient when a parent is responsible.

If bad parenting is illegal you just criminally charged most parents.  We have all done something wrong, bad or unintelligent with our kids even when intentions are benevolent.   And you might say, well that’s silly that’s not what we mean.  Not now, but again, draw it out to it’s logical conclusions.

At 15, this kid knew murder is wrong.  The parents facilitated this (from what I gather) in the same way a gun shop might illegally sell a firearm to a felon who then did something bad with it.

I could not read the link.  Is this one of the cases where the FBI says “he was known to us” like they do all the other times?  Why are they not being charged as well or have been charged in the past?

• This reply was modified 10 months, 3 weeks ago by Vknid.

@DarthVengeant

I am going to respond to some of your statements.  I very much respect your opinion, you only post thoughtful things, and I am just furthering the conversation and not at all criticizing you.

The indoctrination camps know as the school system, “modern” culture, and our broken mental health/medical system is to “blame”.

Sending your kids, especially young ones, to daycare is one of the worst things a parent can do.  I have friends who send their babies to daycare.  I have argued with them about that because a mother not spending the first handful of years with her child harms the child immensely and the mother/father as well.

Lobbing your child over a fence at school everyday and utilizing it as a daycare only is the very same problem

What’s the root cause there?  Is it the school?  No.  Is it the daycare?  No.  It is poor decisions and lack of attention by parents.  Often times this is because of being self centered.  And often it is because the world tells you to prioritize yourself and your career and so on.

This leads us to mental health.  The highest priority concern should not be, how will we treat all these mentally ill people.  The most critical concern should be, WHY are there so many mentally ill people?

Yes, when you jugular is cut open the blood going everywhere is a concern.  But mopping up the blood before you close the wound is you chasing your tail and bleeding out before you get to close the wound.

I firmly believe there are more mental issues now.  But it’s not as many as one might think in my opinion. Being sad, or even very sad is not depression.  Depression is a clinical diagnosis that is relatively rare.  In spite of  what the pharmaceutical tells you, negative feels typically don’t require a diagnosis or a pill. But there are 5 pills for every emotion outside of sheer euphoria and countless doctors willing to give them to you.

Many people are sad or feel negative because they should.  If your life has gone sideways, or someone you love passed or you just cannot seem to get ahead, you are supposed to feel crappy.  And the whole thing of everyone having this or that or 3 things is also over pronounced.  People will say, well I am not normal.  Well no one is.  We all have quirks, issues and things to work on.  Every little thing does not need a therapist or a pill.  A good friend of mine sends his son (under 10) to a therapist.  I asked him why did he have an issue?  He said no it’s just good to do in case so he can talk to someone. I love my friend but that seems insane to me.

I assert here that the primary reasons for mental health problems these days are the terrible man made foods (and the chemicals within) and nihilism. If you walk through life believing in nothing beyond yourself assuming that nothing really means anything why would you not harm others if you felt like it?  It does not mean anything right?  Your only barrier at that point is not wanting to be incarcerated and often now that does not even happen for long.  I firmly believe that  nihilism eventually leads to hopelessness.  And at that point everyone in that frame of mind is a mess who could have no issues in harming others.

The solution?  Believe in things larger than yourself.  God?  Yes, most assuredly. If you live your life well trying to please God you have lived a life of goodness and have lived it with a center of peace and joy. What if you are wrong and there is no God (there is one)?  Then you go to sleep one day and people remember you for the awesome person you were and while you were here you spread positivity and love which will endure.

Or you can be a person who worships at the alter of self. You will go through life angry, upset and probably unhappy. If you are a woman it most likely ends in cats and box wine (feminism) and if you are dude it’s beer and your right hand.

@DarthVengeant

I ranted sir but I agree with most everything you said there.  I just feel the focus needs to be on the sickness and not the symptoms.